Talk:Aerospace

Why industrial=factory instead of man_made=works?

This page is suggesting "For production sites, use industrial=factory" but the standard tag for factories (production sites) in OpenStreetMap is man_made=works - in British English the term "works" is used instead of North American "factory". --Jeisenbe (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

What exactly makes it a "standard" ? man_made=* is to me a definition without specification (if you don't know how to call it else, wheras building=* or industrial=* are directly transporting an information). Regarding the british english, they explain it using more meaningful/descriptive terms : https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/american_english/works. So how would you express an industrial=foundry for example ? You'd need two descriptions for something which may be done in one.

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rtfm Rtfm (talk) 15:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

The tag man_made=works is by far the most common and oldest way of mapping a works (aka "factory") in the OpenStreetMap database: https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#***/man_made/works&***/industrial/factory - and it's certainly possible to add product=* or industrial=* to specify what sort of works (factory) you are seeing. It's also reasonable to map the whole area as landuse=industrial, but dropping man_made=works is missing information. The key man_made=* is used for all kinds of man-made structures and features, including bridges, cranes, conveyor belts, lighthouses, offshore oil platforms, observatories, water works (water treatment facilities), and industrial works (factories), so the key is fine: Key:man_made. --Jeisenbe (talk) 06:03, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

"You'd need two descriptions for something which may be done in one. " would be misleading. landuse=industrial and man_made=works are describing two different matter, only that the latter usually implies the former. -- Kovposch (talk) 08:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

It's interesteing you now even edit my contributions to the discussion - do you consider this adequate ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aerospace&diff=2022814&oldid=2022812

There's also works=* that's extremely similar to product=*, industrial=*, and factory=*. It at least has more uses then factory=*. So I think there are enough options for tagging this stuff without adding factory=* to the mix. There's an infinite amount of words to describe these things and as many chances to bicker about which one is "better." Obviously though they aren't all equal and we can't use all of them. So there should really be a standard. Which just introducing another possibility when there's already plenty that are better and more widely used doesn't help with. Ultimately, the particular phrase for the tag doesn't matter. Other things do. Like not having a bunch of different tags for the same thing. --Adamant1 (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

" man_made=* is to me a definition without specification" - so? Your (or mine) personal feeling about key (made in isolation from fact that there is also value) are not important in case of tagging having clear and established preference for some specific tag Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

"tagging having clear and established preference" was exactly what I was originally questioning, but someone falsified the overview :

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It's much more logic (and it seems others also feel so as of the numbers) to use landuse=industrial, industrial=*, *=(refinement of the specification). But that's probably too systematic for those who'd like to avoid structure in the syntax. rtfm Rtfm (talk) 10:48, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

"that's probably too systematic for those who'd like to avoid structure in the syntax" - nobody had problem with THAT, if you think that is the problem then please reread what others posted. Also, can you stop posting unreadable tables within discussion? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2020 (UTC)