Proposal:Courier

Courier
Proposal status:	Rejected (inactive)
Proposed by:	muzirian
Tagging:	amenity=courier Data item
Applies to:
Definition:	A facility or service which delivers packages and documents.
Statistics:
Draft started:	2017-03-08
RFC start:	2017-03-08
Vote start:	2017-03-24
Vote end:	2017-04-07

Proposal

This is intended to create a standard tag for courier delivery services, which are not post offices/national post.

This should be used to tag a facilities which offer courier various services like booking,drop off and pickup etc

Rationale

A courier is a person or a company which delivers messages, packages, and mail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier

Courier services differs from post offices as, a post office is usually a customer service facility forming part of a national postal system, while courier services are mainly privately operated.Also many post offices offer additional services: providing and accepting government forms (such as passport applications), processing government services and fees (such as road tax), and banking services (such as savings accounts and money orders) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_office . So a seperate tag will help to avoid confusion between them.
In common language too people dont refer courier services as post offices, so its better not to mix them and cause confusion.

Currenty its tagged as amenity=courier,office=courier and amenity=post_office.And this tag was selected as this was the most used and seemed apt.

Examples

Pictures added

Tagging

These services has fair share in mail/package business which might get them the significance to tag them under the key amenity than just using key office.The reason to avoid post office is given in rationale.

And the name courier is the common term used for these services and wont create confusion.

Applies to

Use it on a or with amenity=courier

Use this tag at places where people can avial theses services and

name=* can be used to name the store if it which works as a franchise.

operator=* or brand=* tag can be used to mark the shipping operator.

External Discussions

Talk on mailing list https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2017-March/031505.html

Talk on discussion page Talk:Tag:amenity=courier

Comments

Please comment on the discussion page.

Voting

Voting closed

Voting on this proposal has been closed.

It was rejected with 13 votes for, 15 votes against and 1 abstention.

• I oppose this proposal. --Ashtez (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Tux67 (talk) 08:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Javbw (talk) 00:07, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. I've often wondered how to tag these. Now I know. TristanA (talk) 00:37, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I have comments but abstain from voting on this proposal. please see the "office" comment on the discussion page about colliding "amenities/offices" --Rtfm (talk) 01:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I think it better fits to office=* Chrabros (talk) 04:35, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Waldhans (talk) 12:04, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Dr Centerline (talk) 16:02, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Could be tagged readily under existing amenity=post_office operator=* Paul Johnson (talk) 08:15, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. While I am not completely against the tag "amenity=courier", I think that the current definition is not suitable for the tag. It reads "This should be used to tag a facilities which offer courier various services like booking,drop off and pickup etc", and while "drop off" and "pick up" are suitable actions for an amenity, "booking" aren't (that's what an office does). Certainly, not all places operated by a courier company, should get the same kind of tag. There should be differentiation between a place for the customer to go (amenity) and a place used for operations and not accessible by the customers (like a distribution centre, a backoffice, etc.). I.E. there is space for amenity=courier and office=courier, if both are defined accordingly. Plus some technical facilities that are neither. --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. It is an office=*. As for 'back office' and 'distribution centres' post offices have these too. --Warin61 (talk) 06:19, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I know they have them too, but they are not the part that gets the amenity=post_office tag (e.g. if there is only a back office/ administration place of the mail service, without customers coming in, we won't tag it as post_office).--Dieterdreist (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

• I oppose this proposal. I see no reason to distinguish between private operated postal services from "part of a national postal system", amenity=post_office fits well for both. The range of services varies anyway. --Vademecum (talk) 21:03, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Sorry but public and private postal services are the same kind of service. I would use amenity=post_office for both of them. Otherwise why not extend this principle to private/public post boxes? And private/public pick-up boxes? It would be complicated for no added value. If you want to differentiate them then propose to use something like public=yes/no or other additional tag. By the way some "national" post companies can in fact partly be private companies. Finaly, if you want to add government services (which sometimes can also be paid in tabac shops, book shops... i.e. private places) then you can propose additional tags which can fit to any kind of business. --LeTopographeFou (talk) 21:21, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I have the same oppinion like Vademecum --Thetornado76 (talk) 19:06, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. For countries like the UK, where there is a national mail service, the phrase "Post Office" has a specific meaning to be one of the outlets for that service. There is thus a clear distinction between post offices and other courier services. In particular, people wouldn't ordinarily use a courier service to send normal personal letters. I'm therefore satisfied that there is a need for separate tagging for such services. I think I would prefer office=courier, but if amenity=courier is currently more well-used, I would be happy with that instead. Rjw62 (talk) 08:53, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Use amenity=post_office. If users want to find an outlet run by a specific operator (public, ex-public, private, whatever) that's what the operator= tag is for. --Ecatmur (talk) 09:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. The post office is not the same as a courier, the post office is ran by Royal Mail, and the courier is a private company such as UPS, Yodel or DPD. -JamesKingdom (talk) 15:45, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. The public postal service and the private courier service are quite different system in Japan. --higa4 (talk) 06:06, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Ribbon (talk) 06:58, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --hayashi (talk) 22:30, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I agree with Paul Johnson. We can use subtags, as for fuel stations, banks etc. Public and private owned post offices, even when called differently, basically serve the same porpose. Austrian Post (which held a monopoly on mail services) has been privatized, and their offices still look the same and serve the same function. It would be strange to change their main tag in OSM only because their ownership structure changed. This proposal also does not provide a tagging solution for other kinds of shops (e.g. call shops, newsagents...) that offer mail services for additional income. They are sometimes referred to as "post partner" or "parcel shop". There's post_office:type=*, but I would rather like to see a tagging scheme like mail:service=send/receive/pob/etc, mail:for=business/all, mail:carrier=UPS/DPD/etc, mail:product=parcel/letter/money. --Fkv (talk) 22:47, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I agree that Courier service is different from Post office, at least in Japan. But I think courier service is not "amenity" category. "office=*" is better choice. A hotel may have its office, however it's still "hotel". --Tankaru (talk) 23:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I agree with Paul Johnson, it should be tagged under amenity=post_office Thoschi (talk) 10:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --surgical21 (talk) 16:58, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --kamigata0 (talk) 13:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Do not put more things under amenity just because of their popularity, the office or shop key are far more suitable. I'd also support this being mapped with additional tags to amenity=post_office. --LastGrape/Gregory 12:48, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Rej (talk) 18:56, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. use post_office --FreeExec (talk) 08:41, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. This belongs under office and not under amenity, a courier is certainly not what an estate agent means when they describe a property as 'Close to the amenities' --trigpoint (talk) 14:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Netzach (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2017 (UTC)