Proposal:Drop recommendation for place name

drop recommendation for place_name on areas
Proposal status:	Approved (active)
Proposed by:	Sletuffe
Applies to:	areas
Definition:	Agree to stop recommending the use of place_name for areas on the place page
Draft started:
Proposed on:	2012-11-08
RFC start:	2012-11-08
Vote start:	2012-11-22
Vote end:	2012-12-08

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proposition

The proposition is simple : To stop recommending the use of place_name=* for place=* on areas, and recommend name=* instead wether it is a node or an area.

why ?

• Because name=* is the tag for... names. And it is used this way in most other cases of areas.
• Because it doesn't really solve a problem, and creates confusion in understanding how and when to use it.

why not ?

• Because name=* is always rendered, and it is rendered in the centre of a polygon. In most cases of place=* usage for polygons we need no such caption. place_name=* helps us to save a name for a place but remove it from rendering.

Current statistics

• As of 2012-11-08 place_name=* is used 28 449 times on areas, in conjunction with the place=* tag. [2]
• As of 2012-11-08 place_name=* is used 35 203 times on all types of objects. (446 on nodes) [3]
• As of 2012-11-08 name=* is used 134647 times on areas, in conjunction with the place=* tag. select count(name) from planet_osm_polygon where place is not null; on an osm2pgsql schema
• As of 2012-11-08 place=* is used 224000 times on areas and 2 238 034 on nodes

Voting

Please use {{vote|yes}} or {{vote|no}} and give your reasons to oppose.

• I approve this proposal. sletuffe

• I approve this proposal. --SimoneSVC 15:04, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Imagic 15:10, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I oppose this proposal.. You forgot one major point in your wiki. The "place_name" has been created for a rendering issue when you have a "landuse=residential" AND a "place" node for a village. If you change the "place_name" to "name" on the landuse area, then the village name will be rendered twice. -- Pieren 15:16, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

I'd say good pratices One_feature,_one_OSM_element and Tagging_for_the_renderer (in an extended sense) answers that remark, but meet on talk page for more. sletuffe 17:40, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

place_name=* creates too cunfusion. And to avoid names rendered twice, consider Proposed_features/Urban_settlements. --Viking81 21:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

@Pieren: actually you shouldn't have a landuse=residential with the place name attached, if you use a landuse only where it applies to (used land, i.e. not roads) you won't have one big landuse=residential, the only reason we had them in the past is the lack of the main mapnik style to display place on areas so people started to use landuse=residential for the built-up area, but it really doesn't make much sense. --Dieterdreist 17:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

BS. If the roads are part of a residential neighborhood, they should be mapped as part of it. But this has nothing to do with Pieren's objection, which can be solved in many ways (put the node in the relation, for example). --NE2 00:59, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

• I oppose this proposal. If we'll accept this proposal, then renderers will have to check whether the "name" tag is used in conjunction with the "place" tag or with another tag. It results in more complex renderer programming and weakens an abstraction of the tagging model. So I vote "contra". --Surly 16:38, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Indeed renderers already recognize when name=* is used in conjunction with place=* and show them on the map with different size according to place=* importance. --Viking81 21:23, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. Lzhl 20:17, 22 November 2012 (UTC).

• I approve this proposal. --Kaitu 20:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Viking81 21:03, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Ilis 06:03, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Sadless74 07:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. - I nerver heard before about a tag "place_name",but it's nonsensical indeed.--R-michael 08:45, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Soldier Boy 09:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Brogo 13:42, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Dieterdreist 17:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. Just set name=* on the place node, see discussion page. --Fkv 19:18, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Theonlytruth 10:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Approved with 14 yes votes and 2 no votes. sletuffe 23:17, 10 December 2012 (UTC)