Talk:Country code

Delete proposal

I'm against deleting this page. Maybe this article needs to be a little clearer, but I find it useful to have this on the wiki. --Jgpacker (talk) 20:21, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

I cannot remember text referencing it but it was reference to LOCODE, winch is just ISO-3166-1 (five-characters LOCODE is identical to the two-letter code from the ISO-3166-1 standard).

No need to confuse reader just because some standard (LOCODE) uses different term from ISO-3166-1.

ISO-3166 or ISO-3166-1 is enough for mappers. Developers can google for actual standard instead of outdated text at this wiki. Xxzme (talk) 20:25, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

This page is here since 2009. It is there because of internal links in the description of valirous tags.

Which alternate destantion would you propose when there are multiple codes assigned to countries and several distinct tags defined for them?

Its content is stable since years, even if it is not developed (the role of the page is not to describe how they are created but if needed the page can contain reference links about where they come from and how they are managed (it could then bring to the various maintenance engencies and to Wikipedia without having to include all these links in avery doc page about specific tags).

And about your remark: the "5-letter" LOCODE cannot be identical to the "2-letter" code from ISO 3166-1. (the 5 letter codes are for locations, and are just prefixed by the 2-letter ISO 3166-1 plus an extension, different from ISO 3166-1 (which is LESS complete than LOCODE for many locations in many countries).

There are other country codes : ITU codes, postal codes, car identification codes, EU codes (sometimes different from ISO 3166-1), ccTLD code from the DNS (sometimes different too oir with additional codes such as .gb and .uk which are distinct in DNS but mapped to the same ISO 3166-1 territory code), WIPO codes...

The table is also no complete for ISO 3166 itself (it is missing the numerical codes used by UN M.49).

Due to this profusion, removing this pages and updating many pages in Tags woulc add more maintenance problems when a single internal link is enough. — Verdy_p ^(talk) 20:58, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this page was unmaintained since it's creation.

It is too broad and doesn't answers questions of mappers.

Please clarify this reference used at wiki before [1] and how Country code will help with answer?

What "Country code" is for "Dhekelia"? Xxzme (talk) 21:27, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

There's no definied ISO 3166-1 code for "Dhekelia" alone... But there's a LOCODE ! (There's also an ITU code, and a postal code)...

And officially the British overseas territory is "Dhekelia and Akrotiri" (DAA) (but unlike other overseas, it has NO self-governing territory; in fact, the legal status in UK is not even an overseas territory but a specific status which is now sui generis, because it is the only remaining "sovereign base", which in fact does not claim the full territoriality, but only an exclusive usage with a very limited "sovereignty"; this status is similar to the special military status of Diego Garcia for US, even if the territoriality is owned by UK for its Indian Ocean Territory, or to the status of US military bases in Cuba where Cuba still officially owns the territory that US does not claim as being in its "full sovereignty", and that also does not create any right of citizenship other than the Cuban citizenship for non-military people living there).

My understanding of ISO3166-1 is that it is full part of Cyprus (and there's also no ISO3166 code for Northern Cyprus, or for the UN buffer zone in Cyprus). The only divisions of Cyprus are those recognized by the Republic of Cyprus (even within the northern part of the country, and covering the buffer zone and the British military bases that operate under an agreement with the Republic of Cyprus for all matters not concerned by military affairs of UK, so residents in DAA are all in the undivided Cyprus, for all civil activities; there's no even another citizenship for British residents in DAA: they are British and nothing else, even if they are governed by the British law exclusively but only for military activities and their own personal rights; they are not citizen of Cyprus, they are foreign residents in Cyprus, just like other UN militaries in the buffer zone).

Even if this page is removed, the question you raised will remain and cannot find any answer in ISO 3166... except possibly in IATA codes and ITU codes (for telephony and numeric networks, but I did not search there). — Verdy_p ^(talk) 21:49, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

> the question you raised will remain and cannot find any answer in ISO 3166... But how could you write page with title Country code and how does it possible to fit all answers in single page?

Country code should be left as disambiguation, wiki content shouldn't point to Country code and provide direct answer at respective pages.

You numbered only 5 standards. There over 200+ countries in the world. Who will maintain page with 1000+ references? How users should use page with 1000 references?

We are OSM. We are not standard institution. Xxzme (talk) 21:55, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

"We are OSM. We are not standard institution." Exactly, that's why we need a local page to correctly link to theses standards.

Note that I am NOT opposed to the removal of the code list itself (the table that we don't need to maintain here), but I prefer maintaining a single local page listing the relevant links to the appropriate lists of codes and their maintenance agencies, or documented pages in Wikipedia (where they are maintained by lots of contributors around the world, including members of the standard agencies correcting the entries).

In Wikipedia, nobody has asked to remove the code lists even if this requires local maintenance (it is useful because the websites of maintenance agencies are often difficutl to navigate, or have usage restrictions, or are very slow or experiment regular downtimes, or because they use a format which is either too technical, or they require downloading installing some custom software, or because they are not translated at all, and not useable by a majority of people). — Verdy_p ^(talk) 23:06, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Ok, there now single page to all Country codes. Old table removed. Xxzme (talk) 00:44, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for this removal and simplification, the table was not needed on this wiki.

I updated the page and removed some unnecessary headings you added to ISO 3166-1 and -2 sections. I expanded the list of other codes with links to Wikipedia (if available). There are certainly several other codes that may be needed for tagging some features in OSM (Wikipedia lists a wide collection of standards for country codes or region codes for specific domains), so consider this list as be ing still to be completed (and we may need to add other external links for items where Wikipedia is not enough complete or not maintained correctly).

Also please don't insert links to the German Wikipedia in this English page (too few OSM users can read German pages): if needed, this English OSM page can be translated to German with direct links to German Wikipedia. But from this English page, the linked English wikiepdia pages will provide (via Wikidata) interwiki links to other Wikipedia editions. — Verdy_p ^(talk) 03:37, 3 May 2015 (UTC)