Talk:Key:residential

I was surprised at the shortness of the list of 'residential=' options on this page. The options list in iD is a lot longer. (1) More guidance please on 'landuse=residential; residential=cottage' - I prefer this to describe the property land around an isolated rural house, rather than 'isolated_dwelling' (I believe we should map the house {with name} and also the area of land associated) (plus that isolated_dwelling renders rather boldly!). (2) Another classification needing more definition is 'landuse=residential; residential=rural' which, I assume, may be used for a group of isolated house, not in a village. (3) AND... at what point do acre-sized gardens stop being 'residential' areas and start being 'garden' or 'park', with private access?

residential=irregular_settlement

Looks like it's the 9th most used residential tag. Anyone know what it means?

There's no documentation, but most were added in the last couple of years: https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#***/residential/irregular_settlement - There are a few scattered around, but the by far the biggest concentration is in northern Syria: https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Wm4. Some of these appear to be refugee camps or former camps which have become informal settlements. Others just appear to be residential areas that might have developed without planning, recently. Many were added by mapper https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Edith%20L - I've asked them how the tag is used. --Jeisenbe (talk) 06:29, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

According to a mapper in Brazil, "Regular settlements are characterized by formal planning and regularly spaced and arranged houses and roads as part of large-scale urban planning. Irregular settlements, conversely, have an unplanned layout that includes narrower and irregular growth of roads and houses. Irregular settlements typically lack basic services and often occupy less desirable land along urban fringes and areas vulnerable to hazards. - Ronnie Nys" See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88309790 --Jeisenbe (talk) 18:26, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

residential=halting_site goes against the definition of a residence

How did someone add such misleading tag? This value is the opposite of what a residence defines. A traveller is a person travelling, moving from a location to another one either temporarily or forever, then called nomad. In both cases the person does not reside in that area. --SHARCRASH (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

A halting site is purpose-built residential accommodation for Travellers provided by a local municipal authority. Many are used by saisonnal workers, which are not "nomad". Those residential places are used for months. And above all it is not about tourism. Keep in mind that Travellers (Gens du voyage) are not necessarily "nomads". --Cyrille37 (talk) 14:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Please SHARCRASH, why did you removed the tag "residential=halting_site" from the FR page version FR:Tag:landuse=residential but not in EN version ? Perhaps because we have to talk about before removing ? Can you please restore de FR page and discuss ? Regards --Cyrille37 (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Cyrille37, I only deleted in the EN version of this key's page and restored my edit back after 10 minutes. I had added a comment also in the discussion page of the tag residential=halting_site. I should have posted there only and I think we should continue our discussion there because there are other contributors involved. --SHARCRASH (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

indeed, sorry for the confusion --Cyrille37 (talk) 06:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

I try to distinguish some cases:

Residential:

* Traveller areas, managed by a public authority, which serve as residences for a few months

Neither residential nor tourism:

* large-scale transit areas, managed by a public authority, which are used to accommodate a large number (100 or 400) of caravans for a few days

Tourism:

* Camping with tent, caravan, camper and mobile home, which can be public or private

* Break areas for motor homes (camping-car), made available by a public authority, for a stay of one or two nights, the time to visit a tourist site.

--Cyrille37 (talk) 06:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

residential=single_family

ID suggests this as a value but it is not clearly defined. It could mean the area defined landuse=residential is purely for a single family (e.g. one house or a collection of houses belonging to the same family) or it could mean a housing area suitable for houses for single families (e.g. in the UK and Ireland, that would be a suburb or area with detached and/or semi-detached houses - one family per unit).

On residential=informal_settlement/irregular_settlement, slum and informality

Some comments that may help:

1. Informal settlement and irregular settlement are almost the same, but "irregular" may imply the settlement is not only "not built to code" but also illegal or criminal. Informal/irregular settlement is a generalist term that cover many physical typologies of unplanned settlement, comprising buildings ranging from unorganized brick-and-mortar houses to barracks, such as shanty town or squatter area, slum, informal stilt houses, etc. So slum is a sub type of informal settlement.
2. You can very well have a residential=single_family area that was illegally built, so the tag informal=yes can be used along with, i.e., residential=single_family + informal=yes. Later the administrative body (e.g. cityhall) may decide to regularize the informal settlement.

--IgorEliezer (talk) 04:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

condominiums

My understanding is that Condominiums are apartments that are owned and not rented. If that is true "condos" should be tagged as residential=apartments, would you agree? BubbleGuppies (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)