Talk:Proposed features/opening hours

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It would be interesting too for shops that open in rare hours. I prefer "key=Opening_Hours value=07,23" Nako 09:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

i agree. Sergionaranja 21:14, 29 April 2008

In the UK there is a rota system for local pharmacies to stay open late, so one shop does not always stay open late. If you go to a shop in the rota (maybe others too) there is a list in the window of which shop is open on each day. Chillly 10:14, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

this is one of the reasons i think taging that info is complex as it changes every week/month. who will update? Sergionaranja 21:16, 29 April 2008

There should be a possibility to enter opening hours to almost everything, that has opening-hours. Supermarkets and small convenience stores close in most countries at different times (even in the same city), in metropolitan areas there are often small shops open the whole night. Some pubs and fast-food-restaurants are open 24/7. I think this is a very important information if you are looking for a certain facility at night. Dieterdreist 12:51, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I think opening hours tagging should be little more complex, because:

• opening hours can start at any time, not only the whole hour
• there could be lunch break
• there could be different opening hours in different days of week
• some facilities could be also open at saturdays, sundays etc.

But also tagging should be simple for simple cases. So I think Opening_Hours tag should allow more complex syntax, for example:

Opening_Hours = 24/7                   for non-stop facilities
Opening_Hours = Mo-Fr 8:30-20:00       open from 8:30 am to 8 p.m. every workday
Opening_Hours = Mo 10:00-12:00,12:30-15:00; Tu-Fr 8:00-12:00,12:30-15:00; Sa 8:00-12:00   complex opening hours

Vrabcak 13:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

ok Vrabcak, in this case how that info will be redered in the map or used ??. Sergionaranja 21:16, 29 April 2008

I think only 24/7 facilities should be visually different on basemap - with proposed symbols (small 24 number in the corner of the picture). More precise information could be given by some clickable overlay or could be used in navigation software for tasks such as: "show me nearest open bank". Vrabcak 12:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

for me your modifications for this proposal are ok. im going to keep the 24/7 format, as definitive to vote on. i think it will pass.

not so sure about the complex format, it goes further than i meant. probably i wouldn´t use it everywhere but i think can be usefull to some cases.

maybe we can split the vote.. Sergionaranja

In the UK fuel stations may be 'card only' overnight on the pumps and the main kiosk is unstaffed Elwell 08:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

as regards to opening time, as you can get what your are looking for (gas), i would consider this open. type of money cash/credit should be a different tag ? Sergionaranja 21:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I like this proposal so far, it's equally good readable by humans and computers! What about special cases for certain days, like Mo-Fr it's open 8:00-18:00 but on Tu only 8:00-12:00? Can in such a case the specific day (Tu) be considered superior that the row of days (Mo-Fr) it's contained in? I also suggest the value Tu off. -- Fröstel 22:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Interesting point you got here. the how to should be answered by coders programmers. in the syntax proposed so far will go as

opening_hours = Mo 8:00-18:00; Tu 8:00-12:00; We-Fr 8:00-18:00

or your way:

opening_hours = Mo-Fr 8:00-18:00; Tu 8:00-12:00 in wich last definition of days have a superior value and should be substracted from the previous.

We have to think here how this will be displayed to user?. on the other hand if this exception can be solved by the sintax so far, why not leave it and dont make too many rules that are harder to remember and more suitable for mistakes?--Sergionaranja 07:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all I wouldn't make the superiority depentent on the location but make always single days superior to a row of days which include that day. Secondly I'd like to point out why I'm asking this. In germany that's a very common notation you'll find on almost every restaurant door: First giving hour for all days of the week, but then excluding the day off. This means also a German user will expect software to display opening hours in this notation. Further I believe that the syntax should be as close to reality as possible and when you look at it this doesn't make it seriously harder to parse for some software - there's worse in our main Data modell :-) Yesterday I've mapped two restaurants using this syntax. -- Fröstel 08:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

ok, im with you. also the Tu off can be used in different ways...

any other opinion on this ? --Sergionaranja 11:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the Tu off option. If a shop is closed all day but previous entries would make it open, I suggest Tu 0:00-0:00, because it's logical / machine readable. How the opening hours is displayed (e.g. for German users) should be built in to the display software. What we should be trying to do here is make it easy to enter times and make it easy to build progressively more complex cases. -- OliverLondon 10:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Some restaurants have other opening times on holidays. --BDROEGE 20:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

this may go better on another tag like opening_months... ??--Sergionaranja 06:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's better to deal with these cases by extending the possible times to include months and use the principle that more specific dates override more general ones. So for a shop open every day but closed in August, we'd say

opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Aug Mo-Su 0:00-0:00

we could also allow dates, such as opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Aug 16-21 0:00-0:00; Dec 25 0:00-0:00 -- OliverLondon 10:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

i still think the off concept is more clear, it can be used for months also

such as opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Jul off; Aug 16-21 off; Dec 25 off --Sergionaranja 16:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Voting is open now, i sugest we keep voting as it is (some people have voted allready)

so if it gets aproved and if some more people agree on including months to openning_hours, then call a second round of votes to aprove that addon. --Sergionaranja 16:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Can we use this for roads? (e.g. in parks that are open only during the day). This would be useful for routing software. -- OliverLondon 13:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments opening_hours addon (months & ways)

• (e.g.: opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Apr 10-15 off; Jun 8:00-14:00; Aug off; Dec 25 off)
• months: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jul Jun Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
• posibility to aply opening_hours to ways

please comment..

Some restaurants have other opening times on holidays. --BDROEGE 20:54, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

this may go better on another tag like opening_months... ??--Sergionaranja 06:18, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought rather of holidays (Assumption of Mary, All Saints)--BDROEGE 21:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I think it's better to deal with these cases by extending the possible times to include months and use the principle that more specific dates override more general ones. So for a shop open every day but closed in August, we'd say

opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Aug Mo-Su 0:00-0:00

we could also allow dates, such as opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Aug 16-21 0:00-0:00; Dec 25 0:00-0:00 -- OliverLondon 10:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

i still think the off concept is more clear, it can be used for months also

such as opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Jul off; Aug 16-21 off; Dec 25 off --Sergionaranja 16:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Can we use this for roads? (e.g. in parks that are open only during the day). This would be useful for routing software. -- OliverLondon 13:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

i see another example (e.g. summer only roads in high mountains etc.)--Sergionaranja 10:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

• this should be checked to see if it can be merged or just opening_hours should not be used for ways/areas

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Key:access

wich describes Access time restrictions:

date_on; date_off; day_on; day_off; hour_on; hour_off --Sergionaranja 09:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Voting

from 2008-may-9 to 2008-may-17 is closed now

• I approve this proposal --Sergionaranja 08:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal --MikeCollinson 08:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal --Sascha silbe 09:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Eimai 10:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --BDROEGE 17:03, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Franc 22:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Master 14:50, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Jldominguez 21:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- Historybuff 13:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- OliverLondon 13:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- Vrabcak 18:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

the key opening_hours is approved as drescribed above

Voting addon "month"

is closed

from 2008-may-17 to 2008-may-25

subjet of voting: add months to the syntax in the form:

(e.g.: opening_hours = Mo-Su 8:00-18:00; Apr 10-15 off; Jun 8:00-14:00; Aug off; Dec 25 off)

months: Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jul Jun Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

• I approve this proposal. --Sergionaranja 16:36, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --BDROEGE 18:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --studerap 09:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --OliverLondon 15:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Rene A 17:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- Vrabcak 05:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

the addon month for opening_hours is approved as drescribed above

Voting addon "way"

is closed

from 2008-may-17 to 2008-may-25

subjet of voting: apply opening_hours to ways

(e.g. in parks that are open only during the day; or summer-only roads in high mountains...)

• I approve this proposal. --DrMark 07:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --studerap 09:54, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Should apply to any OSM-Object, even relations if necessary. -- Fröstel 21:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- OliverLondon 15:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. in combination with Month proposal, Should apply to all OSM objects (e.g. routes which depend on ferry service) -- Rene A 17:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. -- Vrabcak 05:24, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

the addon way for opening_hours is approved as drescribed above