Talk:Tag:man made=water well

Do water_well suite for water mecanical pumping for water_works (water treatement to make public water drinkable). I'm currently tagging the local public water network near Cognac (France) and i don't know how to tag the zone where water is pumped from the ground :

• man_made=water well
• pumping station (proposed feature)

i watch osm real example and both are used.

-- User:Padorange 28 th june 2010

But what with ornamental historic man made water wells that have no water at all ? The humanitarian layer sends people up there. Example : http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2407245156#map=19/51.22053/4.40025&layers=H

Difference between pump:status=broken and pump:status=out_of_order

Hi,

in my opinion the value out_of_order is not really needed because no pump is "just" out of order. People use a well unless it is broken or it is locked. For that reason I would remove this tag from the documentation.

Or is there any point I miss which explains the use of out_of_order?

Michael

Locked status

How to map the "locked" status? Valeriobozz (talk) 11:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

@Valeriobozz: see locked=* and access=private --mnalis (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Change pump:status to operational_status

The use of operational_staus seems to be much more common in OSM than pump:status as it can be seen on taginfo. Maybe this could be changed aswell.

Michael

Stepwells

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepwell for an account of these. India and neighbouring countries have many of them, some are important monuments.

How best to tag these? I could see a new value, 'stepwell' or 'step_well' in addition to 'water_well' (the first is probably an accepted English word). Or consider a 'type=stepwell' kv combo in addition the current value?

Currently there are five instances of man_made=stepwell according to taginfo (at least a couple are down to me). However there probably are more marked on OSM just as wells, or as monuments or similar.

Indigomc (talk) 19:52, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Many of the examples on the wikipedia page, from India, show large bodies of water in the center. The high-water line should be mapped as an area of natural=water (or landuse=reservoir perhaps?). It could be reasonable to use a new tag such as man_made=stepwell to map the entire feature, including the surrounding stairs. --Jeisenbe (talk) 06:01, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I think many of the examples do show them in the normal state, with low levels. If the high water line is an extreme condition then it may not sense to draw that - but it may make sense to have also a high-water line (in practice many people add such a line for ordinary earth-base lakes but mark the land within it as 'wetland', which is not really correct). Indigomc (talk)

Are buckets an actual pumping mean?

Hi, one of the examples depicts a historic well with a wheel allowing to lower and rise a bucket to get water.
Although such a situation wasn't defined in Proposed_features/Pumping_proposal, the bucket could be an actual and simple pumping mean.
I don't see any problem to add pump_mechanism=bucket and use pump=manual for such ones. Fanfouer (talk) 23:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

A bucket on a rope is certainly not a pump. Normally this situation is tagged as man_made=water_well + pump=no - and this combination is already rendered as a bucket by the Humanitarian map style, e.g.: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4918550281#map=19/7.20648/-8.97983&layers=H . If you want to specify that there is a permanently-attached bucket and rope you could add a new tag like bucket=yes. --Jeisenbe (talk) 23:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Why a bucket on a rope isn't a pump while ball on a rope is? Fanfouer (talk) 23:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Because the rope pump is being used to pump water through a tube using small discs attached along it, so its basicallly like a piston pump which is used to move a fluid by changing the pressure.

But a bucket is just being used to draw water out of a well. If I take a bucket to a river to draw water, I am not "pumping" water out of the river. If I fill up a bucket with water on the ground floor from a cistern, and carry it upstairs for a bath, I have not pumped water upstairs. --Jeisenbe (talk) 00:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Dimensions

Don't forget the

• Key:diameter#Inner_and_outer_diameter
• Key:depth

Jidanni (talk) 10:51, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Well that produces hot water

In Albania there exist a lot of man made wells that behave like a hot spring but a actually man made and proper wells that produce water. How should they be tagged so it is clear there is hot water with pressure coming out?

Cheers, Ceever (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

To be confirmed, I'd be in favour of man_made=water_well + substance=hot_water. Do you have pictures of such wells please @Ceever:? Fanfouer (talk) 23:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Here you go: https://invest-in-albania.org/wp-content/uploads/kozani-8.png ... Quoting: The country is relatively rich with low up to the middle enthalpy, with waters coming out as natural springs and wells. There are 12 natural springs and ten wells. (https://invest-in-albania.org/guide-to-thermal-baths-in-albania/#Geothermal_wellsboreholes) The one in the picture is a well. Cheers, Ceever (talk) 11:38, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for those pictures. Although it is described as a bore hole (i.e. made by drilling), it doesn't look so artificial. Isn't this a natural hole from which hot water comes?

man_made=water_well + substance=hot_water would only be valid if it's an actual bore hole, drilled by human. natural=geyser otherwise. Fanfouer (talk) 11:17, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, it is actually a bore hole, drilled by humans. I assune it looks like this, either because the leftovers are still there or the sulfur solified. Cheers Ceever (talk) 11:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Good, thank you. I recommend to read this proposal first with the associated Talk. It is intended to define another tagging for boreholes. But it's not yet mature and need further work. You may get inspired Fanfouer (talk) 20:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Tagging sweep wells

I would like to map the sweep wells (water well with well sweep/shadoof/shaduf/well crane) in Slovakia and Hungary, especially those in the open countryside (in the rural areas) and possibly public sweep wells (in the built-up areas). I noticed that in the database the sweep wells are tagged as man_made=water_well AND description=gémeskút in Hungary (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Blp). I would like to tag them as well_sweep=yes (https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Blr). -xfi- (talk) 11:25, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

-xfi-: By analogy with handle=crank, a better choice would be to introduce handle=sweep. See various values at handle=*, which is expressly designed for valves and pumps. Duja (talk) 07:43, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

No problem to discuss the usage of handle=* in a more broad way than valves and pumps. Fanfouer (talk) 13:48, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The crane sounds to be a pumping system, let's think about pump_mechanism=* as well, please Fanfouer (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Fanfouer: Good point. Perhaps it's a bit abstract to think about a sweep as a type of pump, but it kind of fits nicely: man_made=water_well; pump=manual; mechanical_driver=manual; pump_mechanism=sweep? Duja (talk) 19:07, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

That sounds nice indeed. Maybe pump_mechanism=bucket instead? sweep may be fine as well with appropriate documentation Fanfouer (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for responses. I have known key handle=* but vertical handle for drawing is rope or chain or wooden handle/shaft (between bucket and end of sweep (lever beam)). But you are right that some sweep wells are also rebuilt to pumping system (probably here for example https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Puszta_bei_Gyula_ziehbrunnen.jpg). -xfi- (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Browsing the documentation from man_made=water_well, we seem to have well-developed branch where a proper pump=* exists. However, it has been reasonably argued (see sections above) that a bucket with a pulling mechanism is not a pump, and therefore pump=* and its subkeys do not apply. Therefore, we are left on our own to invent a new scheme for tagging manually operated wells. Before we do that, though, we should examine the existing tagging of sweep/crane operated wells, as well as others with manual operation (however, I'm aware only about crank and sweep, apart from the primitive hands-pulled rope ). Duja (talk) 11:42, 9 October 2023 (UTC)