Talk:Tag:place=suburb
Proposed by
Ewmjc 03:35, 19 September 2006 (BST)
Votes
- I approve this proposal. Ewmjc 03:35, 19 September 2006 (BST)
- I approve this proposal. Sven Anders 11:42, 20 September 2006 (BST)
- I approve this proposal. Nickw 11:35, 30 September 2006 (BST)
- I approve this proposal. Chrismorl 15:04, 1 October 2006 (BST)
- I approve this proposal. TomChance 21:06, 1 October 2006 (BST)
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In smaller cities/towns and villages
I've been using this tag in smaller towns, with about 10 000 inhabitants. In Sweden, we tag these as town, and the suburb tag rendering is about the same size as the town tag rendering. Is it possible to create a new tag for town-suburb? Note that these areas may or may not have local administrative status, but may be more of a residential area name. Maybe another tag should be used? In that case, suggestions? /Grillo 23:14, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Here's an example of how it looks. Korsbacka and Rinnebäck are clearly defined residential areas of Kävlinge. /Grillo 23:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Did you mean Arvidsborg and Rinnebäck? Both are mapped as a node tagged place=suburb. Korsbacka is mapped as an area tagged landuse=residential. The mapping may have changed since you made added your node.--Ponzu 04:40, 9 April 2011 (BST)
- In Germany we have a lot of districts of villages. I would like to have a tag for it, maybe one tag for both (towns and villages). --Dirk86 15:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Remark. You can use newly approved place=quarter for parts of towns which are similar in size to that of place=village and you can mark districts of villages and smaller parts of towns as place=neighbourhood.--Strider55 (talk) 20:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Rendered size based on population
The population=* tag could be used to indicate the size of the suburb. If a considerable amount of suburbs are tagged with population this eventually will affect rendering (font size depending on number of inhabitants). Note that suburbs exist in several levels, such that a suburb can be further divided into smaller areas with their own names. --Erik Lundin 23:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think we should definitly discuss how suburbs are rendered on the map. When a village contains suburbs on certain zoom levels only the suburb villages are shown but not the village name (and that's not useful at all!). And if both are shown you can't distinguish them by font size. Since relations (and "is_in") are normally given for such names, this information should be used as a default for font size and display (hide/show on certain zoom levels). In addition other criteria like population could be used like erik described). But my major concern is displaying of place names itself: it just can't be that suburbs are shown and the parent places not. doesn't make any sense. --Marc 07:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Versus locality
What is the difference and usage advice of this tag versus place=locality? Both seem to serve the same purpose. --grin ✎ 11:00, 14 April 2011 (BST)
- The wiki is quite clear that place=locality does not describe populated places. -- Dieterdreist 16:12, 26 September 2011 (BST)
Using tag for neighborhoods
I created a page for neighborhoods as part of the process of figuring out how to tag them. One user suggested we use place=suburb for them here on the talk page. If we do that, I think we'd have to use admin_level=* or a similar key. Neighborhoods can range from a hundred houses to thousands, and can even be nested (as they are in my area). I would appreciate any feedback! -- Joshdoe 04:08, 11 May 2011 (BST)
Still substantial confusion as to usage
A tweet from Bryan Housel highlighted that usage of place=suburb is still confusing. A review of usage in various places suggests that the following usages exist:
- a part of a town or city (Ortsteil in German). Probably the predominant usage in many locations in Europe. Example cities: [{Zurich]], Nottingham, Edinburgh, Cáceres, Karlsruhe, Nantes]], Karlsruhe ; and towns: Maidenhead, Oldham, Brive-la-Gaillard (26692627
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Suburb is then not used for places of suburban character lying outside the boundaries of the town/city, or if it is, the place is regarded as a suburb of the immediately local place rather than of the town/city. Examples of this latter case: Lady Bay 686411519
686411519, Edwalton & Compton Acres — all suburbs of West Bridgford not Nottingham; Beeston Rylands suburb of Beeston, not Nottingham. In ordinary usage Beeston & West Bridgford may be referred to as Nottingham suburbs. - in very large cities centres of slightly less significance than towns. The main example is London where there a numerous centres in the urban area tagged as place=town, some of which were towns before being swallowed by London (e.g., Croydon, Uxbridge) whereas others now have a similar function (e.g., Kilburn). The main aspect of usage here is to provide a convenient hierarchy of places within the urban area (city=>town=suburb=>neighbourhood). Some of these placements are subjective.
- in North America, most large cities use place=neighbourhood in a similar way to the prdeominant European usage of place=suburb. This may be complicated by the fact that many cities use named neighbourhoods as internal administrative divisions, which may not actually accord with perceptions of places on the ground. For instance the Pittsburgh area of Oakland and Squirrel Hill are split across 2 or more neighbourhoods.
- possibly only in New York City, suburb is used to denote the 5 boroughs, which are substantially larger than other units tagged with place=suburb