User talk:快乐的老鼠宝宝

This revert makes no sense

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:books&oldid=2195944

You revert to a version which misspells 'teaching', and for some reason you want to exclude Hong Kong and Macau for a tag which has been used 0 times. books=textbook won't be used in Hong Kong or Macau? --JeroenHoek (talk) 10:49, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I invent this tag to show those bookstore that mainly sold guidebooks that can only used in school. This is a special social phenomenon, in Mainland of China, student should pass the college entrance exam to be admitted by university, but school will only admit the student have good score, so almost every student do a lot of homework and finish a lot pieces of questions. Those kind of books only contain question and test about learned in school, only puopose is to improve scores by test and test. You can search for "曲一线"、“五年高考三年模拟”、“中学教材全解”、“高考必刷题”, and so on.
Those bookstore sold this books and don't have other novels, comics, children books, they don't serve. Those bookstore only sold books that will help student do daily exercise themselves. So I think this tag will mainly used in this region. If they were offen seen in overseas, just remove that sentences.
Thanks for your attention! --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 11:03, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

You find there are 0 item using this tag, it is our fault, we will try to add this tag in those kind of bookstore to make it meaningful and can be distinguish from all kinds of bookstores! --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 11:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

And this exact phenomenon does not exist in Hong Kong or Macau? Why exclude those two small bits of China specifically? The cram school culture seems to be a ubiquitous national thing, not something the inhabitants of Macau and Hong Kong have been spared of.
In general though, tags should be documented when they are in use (even if only once), not before (unless part of a proposal). --JeroenHoek (talk) 13:04, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@JeroenHoek:Yes, other region maybe have. But my expression is "especially in Mainland of China", which is not a exclusive word. If you consist that use a vauge "China", and you think this is a ubiquitous national thing, you'd better modify it as somethind like "Chinese cultural influenced area", because this can also contain HK, MO, and you wanted region. --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 16:13, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Besides, I noticed your change made today about the name question. (China 2195846,Template:Country-specific Railway Signal Tagging 2195843,Key:china_population 2195834).
Those changes are all replace "Mainland of China" to "China", I think you are making an non-neutral way to solve Taiwan question, because this way can imply Taiwan isn't belonging to PRC. According to the "On the ground" rule, this region is temporary governed by DPP, but still be claimed by CCP.
If don't want to make this to a hard problem, in Key:books I will use a more widely range word to replace this, because this tag can be use in everywhere, this is not a region specific tag.
But in key:china_population and China, you'd better use "Mainland of China" because now the government actually controlled the mainland and HK, MO. the 2 region later have it's own wikiProject pages in OSMwiki, so China only reflect the technical consensus in Mainland of China.
This is a series question, I wish that you can see this problem from people in both side of the strait to be neutral. --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 16:32, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit, that reads a lot better.

As for Taiwan; the whole world is aware that China (that is, the People's Republic) considers Taiwan its property based on outdated historical claims (if a claim over 70 years old must be considered, surely the Portuguese would be within their rights to reclaim Taiwan as their Formosa!). But bear in mind that the rest of the world considers Taiwan a de facto sovereign democracy, and more importantly, the majority of Taiwanese these days wish for it to remain sovereign. The unfortunate truth is that it is quite possible that Xi will try to make a successful invasion of Taiwan the crowning achievement of his career after the recent Gleichschaltung of Hong Kong, and that he will succeed if the rest of the world refuses to interfere in the wake of the Afghanistan debacle. I hope not, but the chance is very real as you must know.

In English, on OpenStreetMap, it is important to use neutral language for this topic. Your level of English proficiency points to being well educated, so you must be aware that the phrase 'mainland China' is not universally received as neutral. If Hong Kong or Macau need their own section in a part of the documentation, just say 'China (with the exception of Macau and Hong Kong)'. There are only a few of these exceptions though. The part I changed about the Chinese law that forbids mapping is quite likely to be upheld in Hong Kong as well under the new security law after all! There is another problem with this expression, in that it includes Hainan, despite it being an island. For mappers with only a passing familiarity with China this can be confusing as well.

But I've noticed that some Chinese mappers are using 'mainland China' for the whole of the PRC as well. In English the neutral and polite way is to refer to the PRC as China (or the People's Republic of China), and the ROC as Taiwan. There is no confusion there, and it prevents unnecessary polarization where cooperation is needed instead. --JeroenHoek (talk) 17:23, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

@JeroenHoek:First of all, thank you for your attention to China and around. It seems that you have a certain understanding of the positions of both sides. Secondly, I cannot explain to all Chinese mappers how a more neutral expression is. And I also avoid the usage of "mainland China" (without of). On international platform, we maintains should have an attitude, that is neither biased towards CCP nor biased towards DPP in those platform. This is the neutrality on the international platform. There is no need to say more about my own political position, but I will use more neutral terms on a international platform to ensure that neither side think being offended. As far as the map edit, I follow the principle of “On the ground”, which means that it may differ from both side's claim. If there is a war in the future, no matter what the outcome is, I will follow the facts in the future -- no matter which side looks more favorable.
Thank you for your understanding, and sorry for my puzzling English.
This issue finished.--快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 18:07, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

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FYI, I send to osm@fb.com and data@openstreetmap.org (DWG) a following email:

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Unmarked paid mapper, reported as destroying names in China, ignores changeset comments

See https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121799290

Not marked as paid mapper at user profile at https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/VLD546

Listed as paid mapper at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Facebook

Reported as destroying valid data in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Organised_Editing%2FActivities%2FFacebook&type=revision&diff=2339666&oldid=2338332

They also failed to respond to changeset comment in https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/121799290 for over one week

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Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: In fact I've already sent a email to Facebook/Meta's email address (osm@fb.com) in June 4, but they haven't reply me. I also mentioned it in https://t.me/OpenStreetMapOrg/91256 and https://t.me/OpenStreetMapOrg/91557 --快乐的老鼠宝宝 (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

In such case I recommend sending something to DWG (I am for example unable to verify that data was destroyed). Even just forwarding your email send to FB with "they ignored me for week and failed to repair damaged data" appendix would be likely worth doing Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 06:55, 11 June 2022 (UTC)