Proposal talk:Amenity=small vehicle parking

Unintuitive

• "Small vehicle" makes me think of small automobiles, from Toyota C+pod and Toyota COMS to Kei car. Is there a better word in Personal_transporter#Terminology? (Is amenity=carrier_bike_parking actually cargo bike?) -- Kovposch (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  • For most of the keys I listed as currently used, including "carrier_bike" I have no idea what they refer to exactly.
    I know that "small_vehicle" is maybe not the best term, but I couldn't come up with a better one so far - I'm open for suggestions.
    About the three examples, I think Kei cars and similar vehicles are a subgroup of motorcars and would not be in the scope of this proposal. --Mueschel (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
    • Hello! I think Micromobility is the most common term for these modes of transport? 'micromobility parking' seems to be an emerging term... --Kylenz 00:04, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
      • "micromobility parking" seems better to me - small vehicle parking sounds like parking for a compact car to me (and I am extreme city cyclist, so if even I interpreted it as referring to cars then it will be likely a general confusion) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:26, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

      It includes bikes though, if not everything in Micromobility#List_of_vehicles. "micro" is usually not a precise categorization.

I thought about "personal", for the single individual capacity.

---- Kovposch (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

In your other proposal you aim to deprecate scooter=* as it is too vague in its meaning. Maybe in this case the vagueness could be helpful. So how about using amenity=scooter_parking? Discostu36 (talk) 06:10, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Why not use motorcycle_parking?

• Any reason why amenity=motorcycle_parking shouldn't be used the main tag if they look similar? All being motorized. If amenity=moped_parking (5 instances) is a concern , there's hasn't been a need for amenity=mofa_parking (2 amenity=mofa:parking instances only) either. There are exactly 4 amenity=motorcycle_parking + moped=yes, and 1 amenity=motorcycle_parking + moped=yes + mofa=yes (451713793 451713793). -- Kovposch (talk) 05:21, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  • In many cases motorcycles are forbidden to use them Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:40, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
  • There's no need for mofa or motorcycle parking so far, because these are a subgroup of motorcycles - hence, amenity=motorcycle_parking is a valid tag for these.
    All the vehicles this proposal aims at don't have much in common with a motorcycle. In fact, even amenity=bicycle_parking would be more appropriate but still wrong. --Mueschel (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2021 (UTC)
    • You mentioned moped=* and speed_pedelec=*, so I thought they can use either amenity=motorcycle_parking or amenity=bicycle_parking.
      Since the proposal is mainly about kick_scooter=*, could use amenity=kick-scooter_parking directly. Or maybe it can be grouped with skateboards and even Segways. Leave unicycles to their own.
      Ideally we should be able to abandon the endlessly growing amenity=*_parking and amenity=*_rental to unite them in some *=parking and *=rental. ---- Kovposch (talk) 10:08, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
      • I don't dare to write a proposal including also bicycle and car parking. I fear that this has virtually no chance to succeed (although I think it's a good idea). I find it rather unintuitive to include skateboards in a tag named amenity=kick-scooter_parking, so I proposed the generic term. --Mueschel (talk) 16:13, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Examples and distinction from other amenities -> small vehicle rental

Example 2

Example 1

Example 3 - distinction from rental amenities?

I think it's a good idea to use a "collective term" for small vehicles of all kinds instead of having separate parking keys for each vehicle type. I recently noticed several discussions on how to tag (electric) scooter parking spaces, so it's a good time to propose a documented concept. I think the term "small vehicle parking" is fine and is compatible to your ElectricScooters-Proposal.

I have two more example photos and another example to distinguish parking spaces from other amenities (share-/rental spaces). Maybe you can use them for your list.

• Example 1 is a simple ground marking for parking small electric scooters/vehicles (amenity=small_vehicle_parking + small_electric_vehicle=designated + small_vehicle_parking=floor).
• Example 2 might be an alternative picture for your first case shown in the proposal.
• Example 3 is more a rental station for small electric scooters/vehicles, bicycles and motor scooters - amenities of this kind should be better distinguished from "parking spaces". We have invented the - unfortunately still undocumented - tag "amenity=mobility_hub" in our area for this, as these places are intended for sharing/renting different types of vehicles. Usually the areas are even larger and include different sub-areas for different types of vehicles. In other cases - if there are just small electric vehicles for rental - a new tag like amenity=small_vehicle_rental is also needed. Perhaps you should discuss this distinction in your proposal, as it might be an interesting question how to distinguish between these forms? --Supaplex030 (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

• Please feel free to add the examples to the table - as you know the locations, you can add details more easily. You're right that I forgot to mention the distinction to rental facilities in the Wiki - I think I wrote something about it on the mailing list. --Mueschel (talk) 16:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

small vehicle + bicycle parking

In your first example you write: "The bicycle and scooter parking have separate areas in this case, so they can be mapped as separate objects."

This is not correct - the same space is intended for both vehicles. In my opinion, bicycle=designated should be added in addition to small_electric_vehicle=designated - or the area should be mapped as a amenity=bicycle_parking. (However, I would still call this space a small vehicle parking, rather than a bicycle parking, as there are no facilities for locking bicycles and the use seems to be aimed more at small vehicles).

In this way, I have just mapped the above mentioned "Example 3" and thus created the first real life reference for your proposal ;) https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1020391779 --Supaplex030 (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

• If the intention is that bicycles are parked on the asphalt area, then you are right. There are several loops to lock bicycles between the trees - so my intention is to put a amenity=bicycle_parking there and a small_electric_vehicle=designated in the front, even though the traffic sign includes bicycles. --Mueschel (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
• Indeed in our country, such "Mobi-pont" parking space is allowed to be used by a normal cyclist and at the same time acts as a designated point where rental e-scooter users from a provider with a contract with the city are obliged to park their rented vehicles. Bkil (talk) 11:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

amenity=rental_scooter_parking

In our country, there is no need for false generalization. The city has contract with providers who offer electric "kick" scooters for short term rental. Only they are allowed to use such parking spaces (along with normal cyclists). Notably, motorcycle and moped users are not allowed to use such parking spaces. Hence a tag implying motorized scooters, electric kick scooters (e-scooters), or scooter sharing/rental would be more appropriate for a tag [1] Bkil (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)