Proposal talk:Key:foraging

Mushrooms

Please consider adding mushrooms not just plants, in the definition. —Dieterdreist (talk) 09:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I have considered it in the past, and I'll mention mushrooms on the page as they are a big part of foraging. I simply left them off because the mapping of mushrooms (and certain annual plants) can be problematic, as the location may not be consistent year over year like it is with perennials, shrubs, and trees. But I suppose that's an issue for that particular object, not necessarily for the key being proposed. --Jdcarls2 (talk) 18:27, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Mushrooms are not annual plants, they are the fruiting bodies of a fungus, often only there for some days, but re-occurring annually, the fungus has a much longer life. —Dieterdreist (talk) 08:02, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that is a good point, and I'll tweak the language on the page a bit. I am an avid mushroom hunter myself, and am aware of this. Which is why I see mapping "natural=mushroom" as somewhat problematic, since the "mushroom" is just the temporary fruiting body. It would be like mapping out "natural=fruit" instead of the tree itself. Except in this case, finding and identifying the mycelium is not something most people would even have the means to do, and attempting to do so would probably kill the fungus. Though neither sees much use, there is also "natural=mushroom_site", which may be more useful. Regardless, this proposal is focused on foraging in general, and doesn't really stipulate how users are mapping the specific objects the tag applies to, nor does it particularly require the user to have in-depth botanical/mycological knowledge. I hope that someone foraging for food would know a bit about what they're collecting, of course, but there are people I've foraged with who just know that "this type of mushroom is edible and good", having little understanding of the fungus lifecycle. --Jdcarls2 (talk) 13:56, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Pick-your-own

Can foraging also be used for fields that operate on the "Pick Your Own" principle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You-Pick_and_Pick-Your-Own), e.g. flower fields where you can pick your own flowers and pay per flower? And if not, where is the border to paid self-harvesting (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Pick-your-own)?

I would love to use foraging for that, we coulde use it eg. like this:

• crop=flowers
• fee=yes
• landuse=farmland
• name=Blumen selbst schneiden
• foraging=yes

--ToastHawaii (talk) 08:02, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

I would say no, though I like the idea. This was originally a proposal for the key harvesting, with the intention of addressing both harvesting that is intended by the owner of the plant(s) as well as that which is unintended (i.e., foraging).

Unfortunately, the consensus I got on the tagging mailing list and in other discussion spaces was that the difference between "harvesting" and "foraging" was significant, and trying to do too much with a single key was just introducing ambiguity.

Since Pick-your-own farms/orchards are meant for harvesting, it probably wouldn't be right to put them in with this key. But hey, you could always resurrect the "harvesting" proposal and narrow its scope to be all non-foraging harvest activities. Pick-your-own places still don't have a good tag. --Jdcarls2 (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Foraging specific types of plant

I live next to a forest where foraging is normally allowed (for example chestnuts), but collecting any mushrooms is strictly prohibited. How could this be mapped? I'm envisioning something along the lines of:

• foraging=yes
• foraging:mushrooms=no

Defining some general categories (such as fruit, mushrooms, herbs, flowers, etc.) might be a further refinement to your proposal.

I think that is a good idea, and something there hasn't been much feedback / consensus on from the rest of the community. Some have proposed conditional restrictions, such as foraging:conditional=no @ mushrooms.

Personally, I like the conditional formatting, as it keeps the number of potential keys to a minimum. Properly formatted, conditional restrictions aren't terribly difficult to parse. But I don't really have a problem with namespacing it handle those kinds of situations either.

--Jdcarls2 (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Other foraging "stuffs"

Hi, we can also consider:

1. compost (some gardens in my city propose compost for free)
2. sea food on some beach like mussel, crabs, etc.
3. snails (yes I am french...)
4. and why not tree sap or "dead wood branch" to light some fire in a alpine hut (yes I am a hiker...)

--Binnette (talk) 17:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting suggestions! I hadn't thought of things like clams and snails, but those activities do seem more akin to foraging than hunting. I will give them a mention on the proposal page.

For compost, I don't know if that's really foraging, but could you elaborate on how the gardens in your city do that? If they're just giving free compost away, that feels more like some kind of amenity.

--Jdcarls2 (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

About compost, we have a lot of "community gardens". So you can put your "compost compatible trash" in their "compost maker". And in the same time, you can collect some compost for your own garden at home --Binnette (talk) 21:08, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

That sounds really interesting! I'm still not sure it sounds like foraging, but would be something valuable to tag. Maybe somewhere in amenity, combined with self-service=yes and fee=no? --Jdcarls2 (talk) 21:30, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Maybe it is some kind of amenity=recycling? With a new recycling:type… —-Dieterdreist (talk) 06:59, 28 September 2021 (UTC)