Proposal talk:Plant nursery

Original discussion before it was reconsidered after abandon

Co-incidentally I added one today and came looking for a tag. Is landuse= the best key? Its a shop/amenity. Landuse=Market Gardening, with amenity/shop on a node maybe? Ben. 19:13, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The nurseries I mapped today are only really open for wholesalers, not the general public as with many others, so it's not exactly a shop. Having an additional node for the shop front where applicable sounds good. Market gardening would also be another useful landuse value. I'm not especially fussed if we lose the distinction between a nursery and other kinds of market gardening since I added a name tag, so it should (if rendered) show up as a nursery anyway. TomChance 10:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

In my area there is one and I wondered which landuse to tag. Its not garden, not farm and not park either. I would accept to have it rendered green like parks for the moment, though. So what is the proposed tag? landuse=market_gardening ? Archimedeus 00:39, 3 October 2007 (BST)

landuse = crop perhaps, with a subsiduary tag indicating the type of crop? ShakespeareFan00 01:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

landuse is for areas occupied by multiple businesses/residences/farms etc. that have a common objective but are separate entities. nurseries do not do not fall under this category, unless you are intending to map one large area that contains several nurseries, rather than mapping each one individually

Since this is inactive and no one indicated an alternative, I'm going to tag the nurseries here as Tag:shop=garden_centre. It's not quite right because garden centers stock non living objects as well. -- Nic 19:46, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Exclude greenhouses

Please make clear that the proposal is for growing plants and trees in open land, not in greenhouses. There is already an approved feature landuse=greenhouse_horticulture for producing plants in greenhouses. polderrunner 19:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, corrected as suggested. -- kmmoens 16:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Horticulture?

Is this not really what is called "horticulture" in the business, i.e. the industri and science of plant cultivation, see [1]. I would suggest to use this term instead of "plant nursery". It is complementary to "greenhouse_horticulture" and we won't make the old mistake of 'landuse=farm/farmland' (see Talk:Tag:landuse=farm#landuse.3Dfarmland) which in my opinion should really have been 'landuse=agriculture'. polderrunner 20:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

In the US at least, these places are called "nurseries" (singular "nursery") by the business owners and their customers. I like the proposal as it stands. AM909 10:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Isn't horticulture more meant for the production of seeds? A plant nursery - at least in my area - not only produces seeds, it effectively produces plants too (smaller ones, but still not really seeds). It could be that I don't understand the word perfectly either, in that case, please excuse me. Anyhow, for me I can live with both names. -- kmmoens 16:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Not needed!

This is a clear case of landuse=plantage with all its additional tags about which plants are grown, plus a new extra tag plant_nursery=yes. --Lulu-Ann 13:21, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

As far I can find traces on the wiki, the landuse=plantage never made it out of a draft stage, and was replaced by the landuse=orchard was is clearly only intended for growing plants for food production, which is not the scope of this proposal. -- kmmoens 16:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

It looks like plantage was abandoned and replaced with orchard, which is not a plant nursery. Also, plantage isn't commonly used in US/GB and I can't imagine many people using it as a search term. Sean Horgan 01:48, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Then start plantage again. --Lulu-Ann 16:15, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I think 'plant nursery' is a better term to use over 'plantage'. Plantage should be marked abandoned and linked to orchard. Sean Horgan 20:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Sean on this matter --Kmmoens 17:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

First of all "plantage" is no english word and you probably mean "plantation". Secondly a plantation is a big monoculture and the aim is to produce an end product (like timber, fruit, ...). In most plant nurseries (there are some specialists with just one plant type) many different plants are grown with the aim to sell them to people/companies who will then harvest for example the fruits. Thus, a plant nursery could deliver plants to a plantation but is not a plantation itself.

This also means that a tag landuse=plantation is probably also worth discussing especially for countries outside europe and north america (for example cotton, coffee, sugar cane plantations). -- AndiPersti 16:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Name

The name=* tag should be the name of the area or facility, not the name of the farmer or company who runs the place, that would be operator=* Chillly 11:16, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, corrected as suggested. -- kmmoens 17:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Suggested additional exclusion - vineyard

Alongside orchard and greenhouse, you might also indicate that this is distinguished from landuse=vineyard, perhaps through the addition of the following text preceded by a bullet: "Vineyards, where grapes are grown for a variety of purposes, including the production of wine; see landuse=vineyard. --Ceyockey 04:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, done. --kmmoens 17:49, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Current Usage

The comments here suggest the tag was first used in 2007, so I thought I'd try and work out how many are in use. Thanks to Taginfo...

Anyway, I'll vote for - there are a few around here I think. --EdLoach 08:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)