Talk:Tag:amenity=pub

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Music?

Is there any music-tag? For many people this is important ;) -- User:Kelvan 17:16, 6 January 2009

Good question. I think I've put music=yes on some pubs, but I realise this is ambiguous. Many/most pubs will have some music playing. Think I'll start using live_music=yes for the interesting pubs that are gig venues. Then there's pubs which play their music too loud, and also some pubs (perfectly ordinary pubs) which morph into clubs on Fridays and Saturdays with a little disco (I'm thinking of the grimy places I used to go to in the centre of Huddersfield when I was 18). Maybe disco=yes? -- Harry Wood 12:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

You can also use the tag jukebox=yes if the pub has a jukebox. -- User:trigpoint 19:43, 19 September 2018

Quiz ?

Any thoughts on how to tag pubs that run a quiz? I guess the issue with this and Music above, is that it may change more frequently, does that stop us adding it? I've been surveying pubs in Swindon,UK after trying to find out via the internet which pubs have quizzes, and its obvious (here anyway) that there are way more quizzes out there than the internet knows about.

Closed pubs

When a pub has closed and is awaiting new ownership, it may remain a useful landmark but is clearly of no benefit to the thirsty traveller. Is there an appropriate tag for a closed pub? Longwayround 10:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Without even checking the Tagwatch, I recall that some say that they use disused_amenity=pub, some amenity=disused_pub, others amenity=pub + year_off=2007 and the wiki recommends amenity=pub + disused=yes. Decide for yourself which is most logical, appropriate and least error-prone. Alv 12:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
See Comparison of life cycle concepts. That's an ongoing debate, concerning not just pubs, but anything which as become disused/inactive/closed down.
I have a friend who runs a wiki website listing "dead pubs": http://www.deadpubssociety.org.uk I started tagging Tag:amenity=dead_pub so that I could run queries for him. I even documented it, but it's not really a serious tag proposal. Happy to move all those to sensible tag like one of the suggestions above.
-- Harry Wood 11:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Interesting to note that even the pub currently used as the main image for the page - the Windmill Inn - is now a block of flats. It's one storey higher, but they've retained the pub sign.
-- spiregrain 12:39, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Current state of this seems to be to disused:amenity=pub to replace amenity=pub which I've been using, this stops software using the data from thinking its a pub, but allows it to exist until the building is reinstated or turned into something else. Castaway (talk) 11:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

what about gay pubs?

It is important to know before you enter ;-) proposal: gay=yes Tk 09:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Nowadays there is a proposal for this: Proposed_features/Visitors_orientation

Age limits

UK drinking age is nominally 18, although some bars have started to implement a non under 21's (or in some cases no under 25's) policy.

Should information about age restrictions (including 'carding') be on the map?

ShakespeareFan00 11:27, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Some pubs (a minority in the UK I think) are 'family friendly' and allow children in (just wont sell them beer, obviously). I think I tagged one such as children_allowed=yes. --Geoff 15:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Beer brand

Sometimes, it is useful to know which beer is served (which brewery owns the pub) ... what about "beer_brand"? --Kavol 21:30, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Pub, restaurant, or bar?

This is difficult, so maybe we should come up with some guidelines for when to use amenity=pub and when to use amenity=restaurant.

In particular, I'm stuck on a type of restaurant in the U.S. commonly called a "bar & grill". There are lots of these, some of which are known worldwide: T.G.I. Friday's, Applebee's, Chili's, O'Charley's, Ruby Tuesday's, Houlihan's... you get the idea.

The cuisine is often non-descript (usually burgers, steaks, etc.), and these types of places usually have a full bar, but in my estimation the majority of people go there to eat. To me this is different from a "pub", where it is acceptable and probably more common to get just drinks and no food. At these types of places, if you sit at a table, it's polite to order at least some small plate of food to share; you are generally expected to stay at the bar if you are only going to drink.

Maybe this is just a case of "you know it when you see it", but honestly, pubs are not very common in the U.S., and I think most people here haven't seen one. I see a lot of these "bar & grill" places tagged as amenity=pub.

Would someone like to take a stab at coming up with a broad, internationally-agreeable, simple definition to distinguish between pubs, restaurants, and bars? BigPeteB 05:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I had this same question as an American. To me, bar and grill would mostly be tagged as a restaurant -- most people go to TGI Friday's for food and drink rather than just to drink, generally. I would think a "pub" in the USA would be a bar that has food (meals, or bar food) but the food isn't the main attraction. For example, a sports bar would be a "pub" I think. A "bar" would be a cocktail place that doesn't have food, or some other kind of bar that just has booze. Anyone else? --Marion Barry (talk) 16:12, 29 September 2016 (UTC)


After a recent visit to Cornwall, England; I felt compelled to try my hand at better defining these and related tags on the Michigan wiki page, for that audience:

Despite my nudging folks to use amenity=fast_food or amenity=restaurant, I do not feel comfortable changing the many places in Michigan currently tagged as "pub", because this Pub Wiki page does not make the traditional pub distinction clear enough. Nor did my single visit give me the words to better describe that difference.

Though it will likely never happen, it feels like the food/drink establishment tagging needs an overhaul. Maybe a single amenity tag, with tags that describe the ambiance, the products, how the products are ordered and served, etc.

--TreeStryder (talk) 19:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Garden?

What about garden=yes? or something representing outside area that's part of the pub and usable by customers - User:Jgbreezer 13:55, 25 August 2008

+1 Here. Tagged a few pubs now using this --Pobice 20:26, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Before I saw this I put beer_garden=yes/no on a bunch of pubs. Not sure which is better. --Geoff 15:56, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
I've used 'outdoor_seating=yes' for a lot of London pubs. Of course this may or may not mean a garden (and in London mostly doesn't mean that) :-/ -- Harry Wood 15:46, 19 April 2011 (BST)

As of 2011-05-23 beer_garden=yes has 205 instances in taginfo, and garden=yes has just 35 (and it's not clear it means the same thing). So that's a +1 for beer_garden=yes from me. Is that enough usage for the main page to be updated? --achadwick 11:08, 23 May 2011 (BST)

Car parks, beer gardens

Sometimes it's useful to know if a pub has a car park or a beer garden. How about car_park=yes or beer_garden=yes? SomeoneElse 01:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Someone above suggested garden=yes. Either suits me. Would be useful to come up with suggestions for tagging the garden itself, for larger ones. I use: leisure=garden; garden:type=pub; access=private;. However, this overloads the leisure=garden tag I think. Craigloftus 21:32, 9 April 2011 (BST)


Walker friendly

Also, it's useful to know whether heading for a country pub whether they're going to get sniffy about walking boots all over their fresh new carpet. The best I've come up with is "description:floor=stone". SomeoneElse 01:20, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that really helps. I think a more generally "walker friendly" tag would be best. Pubs often make it clear with signs, or tacitly if they provide drying racks etc. Even with walker friendly pubs it is usually polite to leave your boots outside. I suggest the clumsy "walker_friendly=yes|no" :) Craigloftus 21:32, 9 April 2011 (BST)


Links doesn't work

Links 'the terms' and 'Points-of-Interest file' display 'The requested resource was not found.' Lenochod 13:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Dog friendly

Being a dog owner I often look for info about whether specific pubs are dog friendly. There doesn't seem to be a tag for this as far as I can tell. Maybe "dogs=yes|no|outdoor_only". Any thoughts? --SDavies (talk) 14:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

dog=* is now the well-established tag for this. Outdoor-only might need to be tagged dog=no for the building but dog=yes in the outdoor seating area/garden. Casey boy (talk) 13:24, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Pub vs Bar

What is the difference between a pub and a bar? This article define Pub as...

  • "An establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be consumed on the premises" - Bars does also sell alcoloic drinks that can be consumed on the premises...
  • "Commonly sell food which also can be eaten on the premises" - In some places bars are forced to serve food by law...
  • "Traditional appearance and a relaxed atmosphere" - While there are bars that have modern looks and plays loud music, there are also bars that have a traditional appearance and a relaxed atmosphere...
  • "You can usually sit down and there is usually no loud music to disturb conversation" - This fits with several bars I've been to...
  • "A pub would be a good location to meet after a day's mapping for OpenStreetMap." - Meeting up at a pub/bar is more of a cultural trait that has nothing to do with the premises, but several bars are open at 16:00...
  • "Historically, pubs originate in Britain, Ireland, Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and can be traced back to Roman taverns." - Is "Pub" just the British/Irish/Autralian/Canadian/New Zeelandic word for "Bar"? Then why does it need it's own tag?

All of this fits with several bars in my Swedish hometown... So are these bars pubs then? Or is a better definition needed?--Christoffre (talk) 02:12, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

  • "there are also bars that have a traditional appearance and a relaxed atmosphere" - I would tag such as amenity=pub. Additionally, dancing-focused place would be rather a bar for me Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:02, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
But dance focused places that sell drinks are already called amenity=nightclub. If a bar has a "traditional appearance", is it then a pub? Then what is "traditional appearance"? --Christoffre (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC)
Note: I am not an expert on this topic. Maybe nightclub is for dancing focused, bar would be for place with dancing and drinking and pub would be for place with drinking and socializing? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:35, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
I can see the confusion here because, at least in America, a Bar can both be considered a building where booze can be obtained and consumed as well as a location WITHIN a building where booze can be obtained and consumed. For example, if we are in a bar and someone gets up to get a drink they say "I'm going to the bar to get a drink". If we are in a pub and someone gets up to get a drink they do NOT say "I'm going to the pub to get a drink". The Pub is the place, the Bar is a location within the place that drinks are obtained from. All pubs possess bars by default. To this I suggest that Bars are mapped as a node to denote that a location where someone would normally not normally expect there to be a bar, such as a restaurant or water park, to have a bar. While all Pubs are mapped as polygon with the assumption that they include bars be default.
On the rare occasion that a business only serves booze and NOT food, then they can be tagged as a Bar. But in this instance...do we include potato chips and microwave popcorn as "food" and thus turn them into a pub, or as "bar food" that isn't satiating enough to turn it into a pub? I'm going to bring this up with the cuisine department and see what they have to say about it. Mecheye (talk) 19:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

I think the "traditional or not" distinction is not really useful outside the UK and Ireland, as is the use of the word "pub". It should be more decisive whether a place serves food or not. In my experience, in the rest of Europe and I think in the Americas the traditional places are more separated between serving food or not. For example in the Netherlands you'll find in a traditional "café" where people go to in the evening for drinks with their friends, people will usually sit at a table, but they will usually serve no food or just some finger food (cheese/sausage plank, maybe deep-fried snacks). Classifying that as just a bar would seem weird. The thing that most corresponds to a pub would be an "eetcafé" (eating café), but those are usually quite small (larger ones would be a restaurant that happens to also have a bar) and while many are cosy and traditional, I wouldn't call that a defining trait. I'm not sure we should change the tagging system, but it would be nice if map presentations would make a larger difference (different icon and name) between an amenity=pub with food=yes and with food=no, and editors should flag the absence of a food tag as a warning. Gpvos (talk) 10:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

sports_bar

Due to a current discussion in the telegram chat of the German community, it was considered to introduce the key sports_bar=* for pubs to indicate whether sports games are broadcast live in the pub.

Regarding your removal of wikidata

Jeisenbe, could you please clarify what you don't agree with in your removal? The wikidata entry seems to link to both amenity=pub on OSM and to the pub article on Wikipedia -Bkil (talk) 11:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC) 

(Remove |wikidata=Q212198 - does not match OpenStreetMap tag definition)
The wikidata concept is not the same definition as the OpenStreetMap tag: the description of Wikidata Q212198 is "drinking establishment" with synonyms "pub", "alehouse", "public house": but the OpenStreetMap tag definition is much more detailed and fairly limited to certain cultures: "An establishment that sells alcoholic drinks that can be consumed on the premises, characterised by a traditional appearance and a relaxed atmosphere. Also sells food which also can be eaten on the premises. Customers can usually sit down at a table". --Jeisenbe (talk) 21:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
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