Talk:Tag:office=association

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Difference between an association and a club

Does anyone know what the difference between association=student and club=student is? From what I can tell they are the same thing so I'd like to know the differences if any. Same goes for the other association tags that have club=* analogs. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:49, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Won't be the same, but is unclear. club=student is more confusing. Is it any club by students??? association=student would be for the student council/union of a school, representing students in school affairs.
An association is more official, concerns the interests and administration, and advocates for the community or even industry. A club is more on interests and hobbies.
--- Kovposch (talk) 04:29, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

OK. While I agree that club=student is probably the more confusing tag, it's the tag that's being used for student clubs/associations though. So I think it's on the person/people who want to use association=student instead to justify why and say what makes it better. Of course, you could argue that something like say a chess club for students should be tagged with club=chess, not club=student or association=student. Not that I've seen that happening though. From what I've seen the tag is being used for fraternal organizations and the like, which talking from personal experience do plenty of things that concern the interests and administration of students and advocates for the community or even industry. When I was in my colleges fraternal organization that's essentially all we did. I still get emails from them years later about things relevant to student interests and notices of events. We even had a nice little office next to the cafeteria where we did office work sometimes. The idea that all fraternities do is drink, party, and play Ping-Pong is an 80s romcom cliché.

Sure, you could call fraternal organizations "associations" since they are organizations, but most clubs are. So, I guess my point is would fraternities be clubs or associations? My guess is it would depend on the person, country where they live, Etc. Etc. But club=student already has way more usage then association=student. So I don't see the point in muddying the waters by using both tags. At least in the case of fraternities the only argument I could see for doing so is say tagging the fraternities' offices as {tag|association|student}} and the frat houses or whatever as club=student, but it's still sort of a meaningless distinction. Like clubs can't official or have offices. Plus a lot of fraternities don't have frat houses anyway. So in those cases which tag would we use for the office? Again, I say club=student since it's already established and being for the offices of fraternities. Are you really going to say that's wrong "because student administration" or whatever? I wouldn't. Clubs don't need a specific, formal building where they do the "interests and hobbies" to be clubs. Fishing clubs being one example. No one in a fishing club does it at the office and there is no specific, formal place where people in the club go fishing as a club. Unless you want to tag random water bodies as club=fishing lol. --Adamant1 (talk) 18:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm talking about students councils, not clubs. The example photo shows exactly this. --- Kovposch (talk) 04:03, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Cool for you? I'm aware what the example photo shows and that it's student councils. But you also said places that "concerns the interests and administration, and advocates" of students should be tagged as {tag|association|student}} and fraternities do exactly that. At least they have in my experience. Pointing to an example photo that I don't disagree isn't a club doesn't really address the point I was making or help clarify things. Sure, tag the AStA as association=student. I could really care less, but again what's the difference between association=student and club=student in cases like fraternities or other student organizations or whatever where's it's colloquially seen as a club, tagged that way, but also or mainly deals with the "concerns the interests and administration, and advocates" for students? Again, that's your definition of a student association and clubs do the same exact things. So if we go with your definition of an association what's the actual difference between that and student "clubs" like fraternities? --Adamant1 (talk) 20:28, 4 March 2023 (UTC)