Talk:Tag:place=isolated dwelling

A Question about usage

I spotted that Osmose declares that building=yes cannot not also place=isolated_dwelling. In cases where the dwelling is only of a single building, possibly with the same name as the dwelling should there be a node for the dwelling and an area for the building? I guess one solution would be to tag a node in the building as place=isolated_dwelling. --Jambamkin (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, map the place=isolated_dwelling as a node at the center of the named place, usually either at the center of the building or the center of the residential area / farmyard. --Jeisenbe (talk) 03:10, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Illustration

This shows a farmstead in Wales, which although indeed isolated cannot be regarded as a place rather than a house or farm name. In particularly, choosing anywhere from regions with Celtic settlement patterns is unfortunate, as houses were always dispersed & detailed place naming followed different elements (see places tagged locality=subtownland in Ireland. Co-incidentally the house is a couple of kilometres away from where my ancestors lived 288367949 288367949, so I know that most farms in the hills were only occupied in summer. In winter farmers & landowners moved with their animals down to the coastal villages. The Welsh word 'hafod' often means summer dwelling/house/farm demonstrating that this practice of local transhumance was common. We really do not use place=isolated_dwelling in the UK (almost all instances are actually added by a single individual and should be addr:housename=*, and in practical usage outside of OSM people wouldn't see these as placenames, but would say "by the house called Rhyd yr Eirin". I would suggest choosing a different picture from a country where usage is more consensual. SK53 (talk) 13:22, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Interestingly the German wikipedia page for Einzelsiedlung (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einzelsiedlung) uses a photo example from England.

In southern Germany and Switzerland place=isolated_dwelling is widely used for farms or former farms - see for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/47.9309/7.8441 or https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/47.3427/8.9267. See also the last sentence of place=farm which specifically suggests using place=isolated_dwelling for farms that are isolated and match the definition of isolated_dwelling in size.

Possible illustrations from Germany/Austria/Switzerland/France that might qualify as place=isolated_dwelling:

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--Imagico (talk) 19:12, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for thoughtful response. There are a few places in the Highlands were a similar usage might actually reflect how people talk about places (e.g., on the Mull of Kintyre and Oa of Islay, where such names often have a Norse element & probably reflect Viking settlement & husbandry patterns), but as these are pretty much all working farms, locally these will just be understood to refer to the farm or an area (i.e., locality)), but I'd need much better evidence to accept that this is so (20+ years of visits not adequate). At least in Wales, it is very much the house which is meant, even in villages where houses were named & streets lacked names & houses lacked numbers. So in my family we talk about "Siop Uchaf", "Tan-y-Bedw" for houses which were long in the family's possession. Upland farms like "Cwm Bychan" inherit a name from the valley as originally the farm & agricultural land in the valley would have been one. Another isolated Welsh location is Ty'n-y-braich 3918783826 3918783826 a solitary farm in a deep valley. There are in fact several distinct houses in the farmstead (not uncommon) lived in by family members (as they have for 1000 years) and the name of the farm actually is one of the houses (rebuilt in the 1980s). But the farm is only 30 minutes by foot from the local pub which I think doesnt qualify as isolated anyway. (Incidentally I have images of Raimartihof & Häuslebauernhof both mapped as isolated_dwelling). SK53 (talk) 17:40, 27 December 2020 (UTC)