Talk:Tag:shop=jewelry
spelling? shop=*?
Another alternative word would be "jewellers" ....or "jewelers" (doesn't solve the problem). --Harry Wood. Moved from page to this discussion page by logictheo 16:00, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Relegate to proposal status
I tidied this page up a bit, which might have made it look more "accepted" but actually it should probably be relegated to proposal status i.e. moved to 'Proposed features/Jewelry' pending a proper discussion on what the tag should actually be. -- Harry Wood 00:41, 5 October 2010 (BST)
jewelry vs jewellery
In the shop=jewellery versus shop=jewelry spelling debate, the chiefly US usage of "jewelry" has been chosen for the proposal on this page.
- Why? This flies in the face of the conventions of OSM. The shop should be described, not what is sold there and British English is used where there are other variants. IMO the tag should be shop=jewellers. A jewellers shop sells jewellery, but does a lot more too. They trade in precious metals that are not jewellery and they repair and service items such as clocks and watches. This is an invalid tag. It has already led to misguided people running bots changing valid tags to shop=jewelry. Chillly 15:57, 22 September 2010 (BST)
There have been two proposals to move from shop=jewelry -> shop=jewellery :
Proposed_features/BE-Spelling_shop=jewelry - in mid 2014
Proposed features/Jewellery shop - early 2016
Usage stats seem to show we're strongly settled on the currently documented value 'jewelry'
| shop=jewelry |
shop=jewellery |
So it would be an upheaval to try to move over to the other tag. Seems there's not good support for that in the proposals above
-- Harry Wood (talk) 10:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- Harry, these numbers are completely skewed, as you add a shop=jewellery and wait some hours / days, someone will surely come along and "fix" it. Also current tools will tell you to change the tag and presets and autocompletion will insist on jewelry. Also the current rendering rules will ignore shop=jewellery, so you have to be really hard core convinced in order to still use shop=jewellery against all signs, indications and warnings as of now (but still in this case someone will change your tagging to jewelry soon).
- On the other hand, we do have 150 times more craft=jeweller than craft=jeweler (what is not so much, because there are only 2 shop=jeweler). This is also a major inconsistency. --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with you on that, but not sure what we can do about it now. It's seems pretty impossible to fix a bad tag design once it's adopted. :-(
- Nowadays there's a better tool to see these things. TagHistory gives a good insight into how tag adoption has developed over time. It shows there was indeed clearly some automated edits "fixing" jewellery -> jewelry. We see shop=jewellery dropping instantly to nothing twice during 2010. However it does also seem to show that shop=jewelry was always far outstripping the British spelling even before that. I think in the early years we only had a proposal of shop=jewelry as documentation, so I guess that's the reason for that early skewing.
- -- Harry Wood (talk) 21:59, 24 April 2019 (UTC)