User talk:Dzamper

I do not agree with this edit: [1]. In this way, the allocation of a tram stop is doubled. The tag railway=tram_stop in the center of the stop as is done with the train stations, for example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5324985227#map=19/-34.65949/-58.45006

Saludos, Agustín. --AgusQui (talk) 23:30, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Platform 2 is a name

Can you please share any arguments why "Platform 2" is not name? Which of the name definitions in Key:name, which I listed at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dplatform#Platform_2_is_a_name , "Platfrom 2" doesn't meet? 3 people being against is only an argument of force when 2 people haven't presented any argument and 1 used a false argument, as I pointed out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pawcio (talk • contribs) 19:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Pawcio: Actually, I also believe that quality beats quantity of the arguments, so I'm happy to answer. --Dzamper (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

It would be better if you were answering on platform discussion Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

The three criteria listed at the the Key:name#Values page, which you are calling "definitions of what a name is", are not that. They are mentioned only as "usual sources of primary names". That is, usual sources which can be used to establish which of commonly used names of the object should be the one that goes as the value of name=*. But the criteria need to be applied only if the object has a name in the first place.

It is impossible to have no name and have source of it "on a sign posted on the feature itself, especially for a feature in the built environment". Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

And I agree with User:Mateusz Konieczny and User:DaveF63 that Names#Names are not for descriptions. Your extrapolation of the "Central Park Tennis Center" example onto "Platform 2" example shows in my opinion not that you've "proven an argument false", but that you've misunderstood the example. I think "it is wrong to add […] name=Mosque to amenity=place_of_worship + religion=muslim" fits the name=Platform 2 situation better.

Name=Mosque fits the name=Platform 2 situation better than Name=Mosque 2 ? Yeah, sure. Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Similar opinion is stated by Key:name#When not to use: Do not use name=* if "the feature is known by a generic term or description such as 'toilet' or 'basketball court'" and if "the value you are considering adding is not actually a name, but rather […] a reference number or code". "Platform 2" is just a combination of a description "Platform" and a reference number "2". This is not the same as your "2nd Street" example (if that is an officially assigned address of course).

What is the difference? 2nd is also a reference number of local grid. Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Can you say to a friend "This platform is named 'Platform 2'" without sounding weird at all? (on the other hand, "This street is named '2nd Steet'" seems fine to me.)

You say "What are the arguments for ref=2? Does it add a bigger value than a name?" Yes it does, because you can machinely interpret that value without knowing all the languages and all the "name" patterns.

What are you writing about? Can you give an example? Whatever patterns you mean I think it is solved after years of using names for other objects. Names should not be translated. It should remain as they are on signs. Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

You say "What if some rail networks have unique reference numbers for all platforms within the network?". Then you can use local_ref=* for the local reference and ref=* for the unique one.

You say "How extra work, needed in every render to render platform names as ref, is an added value?". Well, there are certainly many more platforms than renderers, so how is that "extra work" exactly?

--Dzamper (talk) 12:50, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

This way exactly - 7 years work in no progress in the most popular render: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/3271 Pawcio (talk) 18:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)