Proposal:Aquatics centre

Aquatics centre
Proposal status:	Rejected (inactive)
Proposed by:	Math1985
Tagging:	leisure=aquatics_centre
Applies to:
Definition:	A facility with swimming pools primarily used for water sports (including swimming lessons)
Statistics:
Draft started:	2015-12-25
RFC start:	2015-12-25
Vote start:	2016-01-01
Vote end:	2016-01-22

Proposal

The tag leisure=aquatics_centre is used for a facility that contains one or more swimming pools and is primarily used for water sports.

A facility tagged this way is a sports facility. It can be used for exercise, sports, competition and/or swimming lessons. For facilities that are more focussed on play rather than sport, the tag leisure=water_park should be used.

The tag leisure=aquatics_centre can be combined with the relevant sport=* tags, such as sport=swimming or sport=waterpolo.

The tag should be used for the entire facility, including all swimming pools, changing rooms, showers, and perhaps a small cafe or bar. The swimming pools itself can be tagged with leisure=swimming_pool.

Rationale

The tag leisure=swimming_pool is currently used for two different purposes: 1) buildings or areas that house a swimming pool (but that are not a leisure=water_park), and 2) the swimming pool, i.e. the water area, itself. The current proposal is meant to be used for the first of these two meanings, so that leisure=swimming_pool can be used for the second meaning only. As such, this proposal helps to disambiguates between the two meanings.

Tagging

The entire facility should be mapped as area tagged with leisure=aquatics_centre. If not enough information is available to tag the facility as an area, a node can be used. The individual swimming pools may be tagged with leisure=swimming_pool.

See also

• leisure=swimming_pool for the actual swimming pool, i.e. the water surface only.
• leisure=water_park for a place with swimming pools that are primarily meant as water play areas. They usually contain facilities like water slides, wave pools and/or splash pads.
• amenity=public_bath for a place designated for the enjoyment of the water on your body.
• Bathing and DE:Schwimmbad

Voting

Voting closed

Voting on this proposal has been closed.

It was rejected with 16 votes for and 28 votes against.

• I approve this proposal. --Math1985 (talk) 21:31, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --AlaskaDave (talk) 23:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Javbw (talk) 07:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. well written. Thanks. --Werner2101 (talk) 08:34, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Sommerluk (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Dr Centerline (talk) 18:41, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Marczoutendijk (talk) 18:48, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --TristanA (talk) 18:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Aquatics centre will be misunderstood by native speakers --Messpert (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

which native speakers would misunderstand? Those who named London Aquatics Centre? --Polarbear w(talk) 19:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Aury88 (talk) 09:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I still think we could also do with amenity=sports_centre + sport=swimming and/or + sports_centre=aquatics. Less fragmentation of a primary key. --Polarbear w (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

I am opposing using sports centres with subtag, as it doesn't make it clear that the centre is only / mostly about swimming / water. At least in my area (central Italy) lots of sports centres have a swimming pool, but typically it is not the main attraction (e.g. a golf course or a tennis club will also have a swimming pool often, but this is quite different from a dedicated swimming facility). --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:09, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

All of that can be expressed with subtagging in a refined hierarchy. The main use X gets sports_centre=X, while the extra facilities are added as pitches and pools (the volleyball court in the sports_centre=aquatics, and the pool in the sports_centre=golf_course), thus deprecate historic tags like leisure=golf_course.--Polarbear w (talk) 09:14, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, everything could be different, but we are trying here to add a value for the existing system, not change the whole system. --Dieterdreist (talk) 15:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. thank you for bringing this up, it was long due! --Dieterdreist (talk) 10:06, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. why not tag as leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming? --chris66 (talk) 08:37, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Why aren't people using this combination then? According to taginfo, only 5% of all sport=swimming objects are tagged as leisure=sports_centre. Looking at the ones I am aware of in Germany, they either are missing a dedicated tag (just the swimming pool itself is tagged) or they are tagged (often mis-tagged) as water parks. Why should we have distinct leisure tags for stadions, sport centres, swimming pools, tracks, pitches, recreation grounds, golf courses, marinas, water parks etc., but not for aquatics centres (or whatever they are called)?--Dieterdreist (talk) 15:16, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

• I approve this proposal. --Waldhans (talk) 08:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. In British English, "aquatics" is more likely to refer to aquaria supplies. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 13:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. You started voting too soon, only one week after the RFC. There has not been a single comment on the talk page yet, and there's plenty to discuss: distinction to leisure=sports_centre, leisure=water_park, leisure (or amenity)=spa, and which of these apply to indoor/outdoor facilities. There are already a bunch of tags, and you invented yet another that has not even been used a single time so far according to taginfo. Having all of that said, I hold the view that a proposal is approved when it gets more than 50% positive votes, because the quorum increase to 74% on the Proposal_process page was itself not legitimized by voting. Fkv (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. The only places near me which have swimming pools also have a gym, sauna, hold fitness classes, etc. so would be tagged leisure=sports_centre. The is a business locally which calls itself an aquatic centre, and it sells live fish. --Peter Mead (talk) 09:35, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Introducing a new specialized (duck) tag would lead to further tag fragmentation. --geow (talk) 13:23, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. This location is way too specialized to justify a main tag. I am also in favour of sports_center. --Nop (talk) 12:30, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I prefer a common tagging like leisure=sports_centre and sport=swimming --Robybully (talk) 14:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. Aquatics Center implies that the center has more than just a swimming pool. In the event that the building is like, for example, a YMCA, it can be tagged as a sports centre with the many sports included either individually or through tagging. --DCTrans (talk) 23:55, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

No the proposal defines "a facility that contains one or more swimming pools", and not "more than just a swimming pool". Which YMCA do you refer to, this or that, and I wonder if they are related or not, since the latter does not mention the religious background the first stands for. --Polarbear w (talk) 12:56, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

• I oppose this proposal. Can already be described by leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming --@themis (talk) 21:31, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. for the same reasons as Chris66--@streckenkundler (talk) 13:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. for the same reasons as Chris66 --Klumbumbus (talk) 14:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. A swimming pool is a swimming pool not an aquatic what not. Aquatics centre sounds like somewhere to buy aquarium equipment and fish.-- Chillly (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. will correct all Aachen facilities to the resulting tag or tag combination. Right now they are now wrong tagged as water parks. --Zuse (talk) 22:58, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I oppose this, it will be misunderstood by native English speakers, they are called swimming pools. An Aquatics centre is somewhere to buy aquarium equipment and fish.-- trigpoint (talk) 12:23, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I agree with chris66 --Lks1 (talk) 17:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. see chris66 comment --Sarchittuorg (talk) 15:27, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Gian Mario Navillod (talk) 16:48, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I prefer to use leisure=sports_centre + sport=swimming, otherwise we must prepare a *_center for every group of sports --damjang (talk) 19:44, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Stefano664 (talk) 08:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I prefer to use leisure=sports_centre with sport=swimming or other specific subtagging scheme for the aquatics centre. Extra facilities can still be mapped as pitches and pools --Corfede (talk) 13:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. why not tag as leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming? --geozeisig (talk) 13:50, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. I prefer leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming --Species 18:33, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. This tag is redundant while there are leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming tags, and we shouldn't introduce more redundancy and inconsistency in tagging just because someone is lazy enough to be unable to use two tags. Read this diary entry starting from words "Multi-dimensional classification means" for an example of situation created by tags like one you proposing. This article on topic of harmful effect of copying natural language terms would also be useful for better understanding of tagging principles. BushmanK (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, leisure=sports_centre, sport=swimming are not mentioned in proposal description, and it shows either lack of research conducted by author before proposing it or intentional attempt to hide this fact to improve chances for approval, which potentially means cheating. BushmanK (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

• I oppose this proposal. reason --BCNorwich (talk) 19:17, 14 January 2016 (UTC) British English, "aquatics" is more likely to refer to aquaria or other aquatic ventures. The tags leisure=sports_centre, and if required sport=swimming and any other appropriate tags are better suited.
• I oppose this proposal. I agree Chris66 FreeExec (talk) 20:05, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Use leisure=sports_centre & sport=swimming instead. --Michi (talk)
• I oppose this proposal.Use leisure=sport_centre & sport=swimming instead --Lcat ru (talk) 06:51, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
• I approve this proposal. --Setti (talk) 14:43, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. The most applicable use of this tag in the US would be for YMCA, however they feature more than swimming. Also there might be confusion with aquariums as well. --Longhorn256 (talk) 01:26, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Too specialized tagging. Use leisure=sport_center or leisure=swimming_pool plus another tag--JB (talk) 11:54, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
• I oppose this proposal. Redundant --OverQuantum (talk) 18:09, 18 January 2016 (UTC)