Talk:Tag:shop=seafood
Discuss Tag:shop=seafood here. Older discussion has been held in relation to the original proposal. See Talk:Proposed features/seafood shop
Other proposal
look even at Proposed features/Fishery --Jan Tappenbeck 10:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
- Yes I wish people would cross-link these things earlier in the process. The whole shop=seafood proposal discussion took place without anyone linking from here to there, or more importantly from there to here. That's despite discussing the pros and cons of shop=fish tag and effectively rejecting that proposal within the discussion related to this tag. I've labelled that proposal as rejected now -- Harry Wood 13:04, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Wholesale fish markets, seafood processing
Re the new text: "For wholesale=* or butcher=fish, probably office=company fits best."
The key office=* is generally used for offices, not for craft or industrial production facilities, nor for wholesale markets. For a wholesale fish market, I would suggest amenity=marketplace if it is open to the general public, and man_made=works for an industrial seafood processing facility.
It's not clear how a wholesale seafood distributor should be tagged. There is shop=wholesale + wholesale=seafood but these seem to be open to the general public? Mostly the tag "wholesale=seafood" is used with this combination, not with office=*. Maybe something under industrial? --Jeisenbe (talk) 01:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- I agree there aren’t yet suitable tags established for large scale service and commerce (non-office places that do not produce or process). “industrial” is typically used as more specific subtag for industrial landuse, so it is not suitable for features (IMHO), while features in industrial context are usually tagged under the man_made key. Maybe man_made=distribution_centre would be a suitable tag? It could be combined with the established product=* key where applicable. —-Dieterdreist (talk) 15:05, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Good point. Is there anywhere an overview of the differences between "industrial" and "man_made" ? I also got problems to differentiate between "amenity" and "leisure". Sometimes it's also unclear whether something is a "shop" or an "office" (example travel_agent /agency). And I don't understand why "police" is an "amenity", when everything else is "government". This should IMHO be documented centrally and not discussed individually with every new combination which comes up (here: fish wholesale and alike) rtfm Rtfm (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Made a draft : OSM_object_overview, please feel free to complete it Rtfm Rtfm (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- I don't find it helpful to create new page like "OSM_object_overview" - first, it should be OpenStreetMap not OSM, second an "object" is a database object, like a node, way or relation, and third, we already have pages like Map Features and a beginner's guide which list commonly used tags. It is already enough work to keep those all maintained with a small number of active wiki editors. --Jeisenbe (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Made a draft : OSM_object_overview, please feel free to complete it Rtfm Rtfm (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- Good point. Is there anywhere an overview of the differences between "industrial" and "man_made" ? I also got problems to differentiate between "amenity" and "leisure". Sometimes it's also unclear whether something is a "shop" or an "office" (example travel_agent /agency). And I don't understand why "police" is an "amenity", when everything else is "government". This should IMHO be documented centrally and not discussed individually with every new combination which comes up (here: fish wholesale and alike) rtfm Rtfm (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
- User:rtfm, your recent edit adds this text: "For an industrial seafood processing plant see industrial=slaughterhouse, butcher=fish, warehouse=refrigerated" - however, none of those tags are used by themselves. You need to specify the main feature tag, e.g. landuse=industrial goes with industrial=* but as Dieterdreist mentioned above, not everyone thinks you should use landuse=industrial to map a specific business like this. In fact, most industrial facilities are tagged as man_made=works. As far as butcher=fish, that tag isn't documented and has only been used 1 time - usually it would be added to shop=butcher. And warehouse=refrigerated has only been used 3 times and is not documented. Please don't add links to pages that don't exist and which you have not researched.
- Re: "For wholesale=*, probably office=company fits best (just the commercial resales), otherwise office=industrial" - again, "wholesale=*" is used "to specify the branch of industry of a tag:shop=wholesale more closely" and if you look at shop=wholesale this is for things like Costco or other large "warehouse shops", which retail to the public. As already mentioned above office=* is not appropriate for a distribution centre or wholesaler because these are not primarily offices. --Jeisenbe (talk) 23:52, 18 April 2020 (UTC)