Proposal talk:Education tag

education=tutoring, office=tutoring

What is the difference between office=tutoring and education=tutoring? Roadrenner (talk) 21:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

office=tutoring is described at Tag:office=tutoring. I think it's supposed to be for small outfits, like for someone who offers tutoring at their home. Or maybe it's a duplicate tag and should be incorporated in this proposal? Quincylvania (talk) 21:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

In general I also think it's a good idea to rework the education amenities. However, for the two tutoring tags, I think it's more of a duplication, because they're not really distinguishable. I would drop one of them. --Roadrenner (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I have streamlined the proposal to leave office=tutoring alone, since the meaning is actually a bit unclear. amenity=tutoring has only 59 uses and amenity=cram_school only 35 so I'm now ignoring those. Seems like most people use amenity=prep_school for tutoring centers anyway. Quincylvania (talk) 23:34, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Kindergarten?

Great proposal!

I wonder though about education=kindergarten? Are they a "school", or a child-minding centre? --Fizzie41 (talk) 21:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

education=kindergarten is just a carryover from amenity=kindergarten. It has different meanings in different places. People have strong opinions on this and this proposal does not aim to resolve it. Quincylvania (talk) 21:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Redefinition and lack of justification

There's not even any reasoning behind changing *=college to undergradute level. Instead if I have to guess what you want, it would be better to create a new eg education=graduate_school , university=* *=graduate_school / *=research (vs *=teaching ) , or do something with amenity=research_institute to show they confer masters and doctorate degrees.
—— Kovposch (talk) 04:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Good catch. I did not intend the proposal to redefine the meaning of these tags. I have updated it accordingly. Quincylvania (talk) 23:27, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Engrained issues for what's in trades and arts

amenity=trade_school is ambiguous for what level it is. It should be relegated under *=school , amenity=college , or *=training . Talk:Tag:amenity=trade_school#Deprecate_this_tag?
It should be emphasized and clarified that amenity=music_school , amenity=language_school , amenity=dancing_school , and amenity=flight_school , etc could correspond to either *=training or amenity=college depending on the programmes offered. Can refer to isced:level=* for some ideas. Eg training=aviation should only teach flying, while "aviation academies" offering different certificates and diplomas should be amenity=college . Also note Music_school "can also be applied to institutions of higher education " for *=university . Cf Talk:Tag:amenity=language_school#Difference_from_amenity=college?
—— Kovposch (talk) 05:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, this seems very complicated. I have updated the proposal to keep the status quo concerning tags like amenity=music_school. Quincylvania (talk) 23:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Lecturing vs Excercising vs Exams

For amenity=driving_school , there's amenity=driver_training which may be far away, close by, adjacent, or inside. Also, there can be dedicated exam centers and courses. Proposal:Education 2.0 had education=exercise_area , and education_service:testing=* , in different levels.
—— Kovposch (talk) 05:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't know much about the amenity=driver_training tag, but I think education=* should be reserved more for the schools themselves than for infrastructure. I'm leaving it out of the formal proposal, but local mapper can decide for themselves later if they want to create an education=* value for these. Quincylvania (talk) 23:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Tutors vs Prep

First of all, office=tutoring is lacking an explanation for its treatment. What's the "unchanged" meaning, and the difference with education=tutoring ? Is it redefined to back offices only, where no teaching occurs?
To be more precise, 2 dimensions can actually be distinguished in the similarly interchangeable terms. At least this can be seen in Asia.

• Ratio
  • Tutors: Giving individual advice and guidance to small groups, or individual
  • Lecturers: Teaching to large classes
• Purpose
  • Schoolwork in general
  • School level certification, or entrance exams
  • Professional qualifications

"Tutoring" often refers to individual or small groups for schoolwork. Test "prep school" is aimed towards the level or entrance exams, or even professional qualifications, and it's often mainly a class lecturing and testing format (possibly supplemented by tutorial sessions, etc). At least Japan has 学習塾 , and 予備校 , plus many more categorization in them.
—— Kovposch (talk) 05:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

So looking more into it, office=tutoring is sort of confusing and has low usage anyway, so I'm no longer addressing it in this proposal. I also dropped education=tutoring since the corresponding amenity=tutoring has only 59 uses and isn't worth worrying about. Quincylvania (talk) 23:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

amenity=dojo

I would delete this proposal, which is outside the scope of education. For me, the Dojo is about building, not activity. Otherwise, it's a good proposal. I hope that one day we'll be able to switch everything over to education. Gendy54 (talk) 12:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for this perspective. I have updated the proposal to not affect amenity=dojo. Quincylvania (talk) 23:28, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Unclear scope

I am not sure what "education" is, i.e. where the limits are. Does it include military institutions like cadet corps? Institutions for continuing eduction? Does education have to be the main purpose or can it be additional? Sunday schools? Is it only directed at human education or does it apply to animal training as well? --Dieterdreist (talk) 15:15, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

The proposal is intended to convey that education=* could be used for any facility with the goal of providing people with education, even informal or alternative forms of education. This is similar to how healthcare=* includes alternative medicine. A location that purely trains animals would not be included—however, a location that teaches people how to train animals or how to handle a trained animal could be included. Quincylvania (talk) 16:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

high_school which focuses on music

What would the tagging be for a school geared for 12-18yo which does offer a general, secundary education but also focuses on music education? Students will get a secundary degree certificate afterwards. --Pietervdvn (talk) 16:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

This proposal doesn't aim to answer this type of situation. This feature would probably be tagged amenity=school currently in which case we would add education=school under the new tag. Future tagging may be invented to specify education specialty or curriculum. Quincylvania (talk) 15:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

On the comparison with the older proposals

Thanks for this proposal and especially for the thorough summary of similar past proposals. However, I felt like the comparisons with the 2016 and 2017 proposals didn't make it clear/explicit how this one differs from them, to the same degree that the comparisons with the 2013 and 2022 ones do. Could you make it a bit clearer what the difference is for those two? Thanks! Waldyrious (talk) 18:54, 13 February 2025 (UTC)

I encourage you to skim Proposal:Education 2.0 and Proposal:Education Reform Alternative. While they both use education=*, they rigidly predefine many tag values and subtags that make the scheme overly complicated, and they depart significantly from existing OSM education tags. In comparison, my proposal is intended to map seamlessly onto existing tagging, while creating the space for new values and subtags to arise organically. Quincylvania (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2025 (UTC)