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Adding new Values?

A lot of the entries below are about adding some new value. It should be fine, as long as it is a shop that sells products/produce and not an office=* that sells a service. Example: Found a tool store mapped as a 'department store' - well it only sells tools ... lots of different types of tools .. but only tools, so I changed the tag to shop=tool. There are now 8 entries of shop=tool according to taginfo. When the number of entries increase to some level then an entry can be made in the osmwiki. Warin61 (talk) 06:03, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Why selling services would be wrong? What about shop=hairdresser? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:22, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
@Warin61: - do you think this section can be archived? Or do you want to respond? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 09:43, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
Sorry ... too many things. I think a service/craft/skill could be another key? craft=tailor for example might be construed as a shop but falls into craft=*. Warin61 (talk) 04:49, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

Values for electronic vehicles like segway?

Do we already have values for shops selling electronic vehicles like segway, e-scooters, electronic skateboards etc _but not_ e-bikes or e-motorcycles, or all of them? One shop as example. I did not find anything "official", i.e. in the wiki, but only a hand full of different values in taginfo - which makes searching & rendering quite difficult. As the amount of such shops is increasing quicker and quicker, IMHO we shall define a basic mapping scheme quickly to avoid a big clean-up / consolidation task requiring to find many different shop-values that are used in the wild.

As we have a value "vehicles" I suggest either

  1. to use shop=vehicles because many shops selling/renting EVs do also sell/rent other kinds of vehicles (normal bikes or motorcycles), and add a wiki page for vehicletype:type where we define values like e-scooter etc (so we do not end up with all typing variants). This is not used so far.
  2. a shop value "EV" or "electric vehicles" but not "BEV" / "Battery Electric Vehicles" because then other types of energy source besides battery (solar panels, fuel cells etc) would not be covered. This value could be used in conjunction with other shop values, e.g. electronics, motorcycle or bicycle, if a shop sells also those things. To clarify which kind of EVs are sold, I suggest EV:type just like for motorcycle:type. It's list of values could grow over time, but finding shops that sell/repair/rent/... some kind of EV would be easy due to common shop=EV.

What do you think of the suggestions? Do you have others? --Schoschi (talk) 08:55, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Repair, Rental, Clothes... Semantic improvements

The shop=butcher has a sub-tag butcher=* with some values suggested. It should also be tagged

It suppose the two syntaxes are quite equivalent butcher:poultry=yes/no - butcher=poultry, but the first syntax - domain name like - alows multiple values.

I think there are secondary tags that should be interesting to add to some shops

In the same way the tag clothes=men/women/children/fashion...

By this way the number of tags would not explode too much, and applications could send a request to the API without knowing all vocabulary (fashion...) and all the languages (kindergarten, biergarten, and why not bouchon lyonnais and café parisien). We always have to take care to the semantic.

By this way, i am shure you know what you can find here shop=music + music=instrument;score + instrument:rental=yes + instrument:repair=yes + score:rental=yes

Other examples :

FrViPofm 19:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

how to tag wholesale supermarkets?

Dear all!

How do you tag a wholesale supermarket which is only open for retailers? --ALE! 13:44, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

shop=wholesale could be a solution. --ALE! 13:01, 19 July 2011 (BST)
What about the alternative "shop=supermarket" + "cost=wholesale" ... my imperfect understanding is that the primary distinction between wholesale and retail is cost, as well as access in some cases. Given the second notion, could in addition or instead use "access=membership" or "access=restricted", maybe. --Ceyockey 02:01, 20 July 2011 (BST)

Value suggestion: home_care

suggested ... shop=home_care ... to cover businesses which provide home health care = home care = domiciliary care = home nursing. See http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/64291832 for example just added (Delaware, United States). --Ceyockey 19:09, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Use the key office=* as it sells a service rather than a physical product? Warin61 (talk) 05:56, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

Values carpet and flooring

Suggestion for best-practice and definition: If a shop's only products are carpets, then use shop=carpet; if a shop's products include many types of flooring products, including (or not) carpets, then use shop=flooring. As of July 2011, according to http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/?key=shop , "carpet" has 295 uses and "flooring" 34. --Ceyockey 19:52, 16 July 2011 (BST)

Resolved: Seems resolved Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

shops and housenumbers

The following is a text fragment I cut from the definition page and stored here for documentation purposes -- Dieterdreist 17:03, 13 June 2012 (BST)

As, unfortunately, mapnik overlays the house number with the shop icon when both are defined on a way (area), one may prefer to define the shop and name key only on the lower left node of the area (example house 78).
The mapping should take place independently from current mapnik rendering behaviour. The suboptimal treatment of housenumbers together with other features like gates, shops and similar will most probably change in the near future. The above suggestion leads IMHO to topology errors: a node part of the area is topologically defining an object on this way (in the case of a building outline I am tempted to interpret this as most likely an object attached on the outside wall, e.g. a vending machine). If a shop is inside a building, please put it inside the building (i.e. not on the outline). --Dieterdreist 17:08, 13 June 2012 (BST)

Value suggestion: health_supplies or medical_supplies

A shop where you can by "personal medical equipment" stuff like: Exercise balls, Bandages, Crutches, Arch support, Orthotics, Sphygmomanometers, Glucometer, ...

In germany usually called "Sanitätshaus" ... not sure know how to translate this. -- Jaldhaka (talk) 15:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

In the United States you would typically refer to this assortment as 'medical supplies'. There are stores which are dedicated to this, which could be tagged with shop=medical_supply (216 uses); such shops tend not to include a pharmacy. Often a store having an internal pharmacy typically stocks a subset of materials (e.g. Walgreens, Walmart, larger supermarkets); in this case, you could use medical_supply=yes, though this tag is not in use at present. --Ceyockey (talk) 13:43, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

mobile store / shop-van / van-shop

Does some tag, showing, that a shop is a mobile store (shop-van / van-shop, not to be confused with shops that sell mobile phones and accessories), exist? It is a real situation, when there is some place, designated for mobile store. Sometimes a car arrives a few days a week and works only a few hours (so a place, designated for store usually is empty), sometimes, a car is standing at its place during a day, departures for a night and comes back next morning, sometimes, a car is standing almost all time (so such mobile store looks like building because of its fixed location). I think, that we should have 3 next tags: 1) tag, showing, that a shop is a mobile store (perhaps, mobile_store=yes, shop-van=yes, van-shop=yes?); 2) tag, showing working hours of a store (we've already have such tag - opening_hours=*); 3) tag, showing the period, when a car is usually located on its place (perhaps, arrangement=...?). Dinamik (talk) 06:07, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

shop values for _supply, _supplies, _supplement, _supplements

Discussion on Tagging email list in the August 2013 archive; initial posting entitled "shop values for _supply, _supplies, _supplement, _supplements?" → http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2013-August/014555.html --Ceyockey (talk) 23:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

TOC location and alignment

The alignment of the TOC in [1] makes the page unreadable, as the normal text is placed at a small area left to the TOC.

I've simplified it into a standard TOC in this change [2].

What is the better location for the TOC? I prefer simple things. --Werner2101 (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

shop=mail vs shop=shipping vs amenity=post_office (united states)

I am thinking that locations for FedEx, UPS and their ilk could be designated using "shop=mail", but I'm wondering what others have used. There are right now only 5 instances of use for shop=mail. Thanks for your input. --Ceyockey (talk) 12:59, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Most likely amenity=post_office + operator=UPS or something like that, but you should ask your local community to be sure. --Jgpacker (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Due to the lack of other options, I have used exactly that (amenity=post_office + name=DHL + operator=DHL) around here. But I'd welcome other suggestions. Jotam (talk) 22:06, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Tagging these as amenity=post_office seems a little off since they're private businesses, not part of the public postal system. I understand that that line is blurred in some countries but in the USA there's a clear distinction.
It's even more awkward to tag independent shipping shops as amenity=post_office since they don't really have an operator and offer shipping by a variety of companies: DHL, FedEx, UPS, etc.
I'm going to recommend shop=shipping, which is about 25 times more common than shop=mail. I'd like to be able to run a query to count the use of amenity=post_office for these private mail shops, but there's no effective way to write such a query (the operator tag is not employed in a consistent fashion) which again leads me to believe that amenity=post_office is the wrong tag here, if there's a very clear real-world distinction that can't be made clear in the tagging. Jmapb (talk) 16:37, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
office=courier may be a solution. -- Something B (talk) 13:25, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Coffee & tea

There are shop=coffee and shop=tea, but what if a shop is selling both? shop=coffee;tea doesn't render good. --Bbbz (talk) 03:17, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

You should choose only one of these tags and add more information in the [description] tag. maro21 15:54, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

I propose to add section to this page discussing this problems and listing at least following options

  • choose dominant one
  • list multiple values with ; separation
  • map multiple POIs

and describe problems with each solution Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 10:50, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: added, feel free to extend it

shop=furnace vs. British English

Using the word "furnace" to refer to any kind of domestic heating unit is not correct in British English. That word is used to refer to industrial furnaces including waste disposal, power generation and perhaps even crematoria. A domestic unit for heating your house is termed a "boiler". A more universal term may be HVAC - which covers heating, ventilation and air conditioning. The use of "sidewalk" (a US term) is accepted because it is frequently understood and doesn't cause any confusion in the UK. But the word "furnace" is widely understood in the UK to mean something different to its US usage, so it should be avoided in tagging. --Csmale (talk) 18:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

How to tag key-cutter-cum-shoe-repair businesses à la Mister Minit?

How do I tag small businesses which offer key duplication, shoe repairs and possibly other small repairs and services? They are usually booths in department stores or shopping malls; a major franchise of that kind would be https://misterminit.co. shop=locksmith is too broad (they usually don’t offer a wide range of lock-related items and services), craft=key_cutter is too narrow (they do more than just duplicate keys). craft=shoemaker is both too wide (they repair shoes but don’t make any, and they do other unrelated things as well). Couldn’t find anything under the related shop=* and craft=* items. If there is no tag for this, we should create one. If there is, it should be added to the See also sections of the respective tags. --Stanton (talk) 23:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

You are allowed to tag an object with both craft=* and shop=*. This is an interesting issue (aside from craft=* vs shop=*), because there's shop=car_repair specifically, while all other values could include repair-only "shops" for historic reasons. Since it is in use, you can use craft=key_cutter with shop=shoe_repair for the time being. But I don't like how there could be many shop=*_repair values possible. This leads to conflicting individual values (multi-value isn't nice here) for shops offering wide variety of repair services you mentioned. -- Kovposch (talk) 12:24, 17 February 2020‎ (UTC)

Clock shops

How should a clock shop be tagged? According to Taginfo there are currently 65 uses of shop=clock and 53 uses of shop=clocks. Looking at commonly used shop tags, there is no consistency about whether singular or plural should be used (e.g., we use shop=car but shop=books), so the choice between shop=clock and shop=clocks is unclear. —sinh (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

There is also shop=watches that is related (but not necessarily applicable), mentioning this for anyone confused by English Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 21:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Humm. Possibly the singular is used when a typical shopper only buys one e.g. a car compared to books where shoppers usually buy more than one? I think you can use either and be called wrong by some. Warin61 (talk) 07:56, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Tile shops

Why was the shop=tiles added, when there is already shop=trade+trade=tiles? What is the difference? Aceman444 (talk) 06:29, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Good question! My interpretation of shop=trade is that does not sell to the general public, they only sell to people in a particular trade. This does not match the OSM description and changing it would be taken as 'too late'. Warin61 (talk) 07:27, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
But then how would one prove he is "in a particular trade"? Maybe that would be more shop=wholesale where usually only companies can buy, not individual persons. But e.g. building supplies shop was put under shop=trade and there it is usual that mostly tradesmen or craftsmen go shopping, but the shop is open to anyone and will not refuse you if you only want a pack of roof tiles or a bag of cement (to fix your house yourself). Aceman444 (talk) 09:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Apple authorized retailers

Anyone know a good tag for shops that exclusively sell and service apple products? I guess they could be tagged as shop=computer along with one of the various "service" tagging options. I would rather avoid that if I can though and it's not like they are computer stores anyway. The only other option I can think of is shop=electronics, but then they aren't technically electronics retailers. So I'd appreciate other ideas. Thanks. --Adamant1 (talk) 07:30, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

One possibility would be to add brand=Apple, similarly to how car brands are tagged with shop=car. Also it seems people like brand=[Apple Store] Aceman444 (talk) 09:09, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
shop=electronics + brand=Apple + electronics:repair=* fits perfectly. maro21 15:45, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Do we need to change anything on this page based on this feedback? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Show room

How do I map a show room or an exhibition space? A store where goods are presented, but where no purchases can be made.

Definitely not as a shop. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:53, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
Do we need to change anything on this page based on this feedback? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

"Shop are not used in relations"?

I have a correction in a page I'm creating, by user Maro21, stating "shop are not used in relations", so, checking this entry I confirm their opinion. The problem is that taginfo shows that it is in fact used thousands of times in relations, and it's very easy to imagine why, since some shops occupy little buildings which can be a relation as a building or as a multipolygon tagged as a building.

So, are we just plainly ignoring this fact? Are we trying to push this idea so contributors try to avoid using shop in relations? What are we doing here? Since it's clearly false that "shops are not used in relations". CENTSOARER (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@CENTSOARER: Is Template:Description/doc/confusion caused by use on onArea parameter helpful? I just created it as this confusion repeatedly happens Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Yes, it is helpful. Still, I'm not sure if it's clear enough how are relation building as shops accounted for? I know shops won't occupy complex buildings, but some supermarkets and department stores sure are the exception.
Also, I'm glad this discussion started here if it brings some clarity to others. CENTSOARER (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
What you mean by "how are relation building as shops accounted for" ? Can you link such relation? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Which Page?--DaveF63 (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
There are a few cases where a multipolygon joining several areas can make sense for a shop, like in this example with a bookstore using two buildings a few meters apart: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/17290269 Agree with Mateusz that multipolygons, though technically relations, should be treated as areas. Perhaps that user Maro21 meant that some relations (e.g. type=site) are not really suited for shops). Bxl-forever (talk) 15:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
The answer to your question is in FAQ. maro21 16:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
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