Talk:Tag:company=logistics

Definition

What is the definition of logistics what exactly does a logistics company do? It's extremely circular and not helpful to people who are trying to understand the tag to just call it good at "logistics company provide logistics services" without clarifying exactly what that means. --Adamant1 (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Group

@Rtfm and Adamant1: I'd really appreciate if you could please stop this reverting game and arguing about the group. With many tags groups are questionable. - To this case: IMHO Transport is more in the sense of traffic and on transport modes. The tag company=logistics describes a company and for now companies are summarized by office=company. - By the way, the image is no perfect fit. It shows one possible part of the real estate or infrastructure of a logistics company. It could also show parking space for transport vehicles or the office. All together from the outside would be nice. --Chris2map (talk) 17:56, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

You act like Rtfm is going to care and change it back to office=company just because you said it fits better. He's not going to. "The reverting game" (to the degree that there is one) is 100% due to his inability to work cooperatively and accept other people's opinions. So have fun wasting the oxygen. I'll leave the article alone on my side for now since you don't approve of me editing the article to reflect reality and how someone else had edited it, but I'd appreciate it if you didn't act like I'm the one playing games by doing that. RTFM is by not accepting that two other people (three now) think keys of the company tag are related to offices. Thanks though. --Adamant1 (talk) 03:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Adamant1: I understand the frustration and I don't want to blame you playing games. I want to try and find a compromise. --Chris2map (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

@Chris2map: Thanks. I appreciate that. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rtfm: In my opinion, the group and category Transport as used in OpenStreetMap so far does not fit for the attributes that describe the logistic business. The attributes relating to the logistics industry are about company details. Since companies have not yet had an independent key attribute, but are described under the key office or the attribute man_made=works, I think a group of these should be used, most obvious offices. In addition to this group of attribute affiliations, the wiki page can be assigned to other categories, e.g. Category:Logistics.
For me, taking into account the origin of the attributes, it would be comprehensible:
group = offices
+ Category:Logistics
Would that be a compromise? If yes, then it would be nice if you could make the change accordingly, or suggest another compromise. --Chris2map (talk) 17:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Category logistics would be fine, used Group: Commerce for company=catalog, as there wasn't any other which fits. I'm aware the logistics topic came originally from "office", but it's simply not all about offices, as the majority of logistics is "handling" (building=warehouse, industrial=logistics), not the theoretical stuff. So there should probably be a "subgroup" for Commerce. Besides IT, I think this is one of the current "main topics", so it should be defined Rtfm (talk) 21:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I thought about how I would currently attribute a logistics company. The following cases occurred to me:

• I. It is a full corporate site (with head office, warehouse, distribution building, etc.).
• II. It is only a head office or office (maybe downtown).
• III. It is a storage building only.
• With I., the basis is either (1) a building complex or (2) an area.

The following attributes come into question for me:

I. Corporate site (with head office, warehouse, distribution building, etc.)
  1. as building complex:
    a) building=industrial + industrial=logistics + operator="Name"
    b) building=commercial + commercial=logistics + operator="Name"
    c) building=commercial + commercial=distribution_centre + operator="Name"
    d) building=commercial + man_made=distribution_centre + operator="Name"

  2. as area:
    a) landuse=industrial + industrial=logistics + operator="Name"
    b) landuse=commercial + commercial=logistics + operator="Name"
    c) landuse=commercial + commercial=distribution_centre + operator="Name"

II. Office building only:
  a) building=office + office=logistics + operator="Name"
  b) building=office + office=company + company=logisitics + name="Name"

III. Warehouse only:
  building=warehouse + operator="Name"

I would only use the tag "company" in one case, namely for "office" (because I'm not entirely sure whether office=logistics can be misinterpreted). And even then not mandatory. In the other cases, I don't know what else I could do with "company". What do you think about that? --Chris2map (talk) 19:05, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

How about logistic warehouses ? They aren't just "storing" things. At least I'd name the operator:wikipedia (as otherwise not reliably filterable). But how would you be able to filter for different types of warehouses (within a certain "type" of operator - logistics=seafood would be a bit different from logistics=military) ?. The problem with "commercial" is that not everything on industrial scale is necessarily commercial (may be governmental or other stuff). Which doesn't mean it can't be used, but should then be differentiated in the documentation. BTW: I'm not a fan of "man_made" as it doesn't carry any info. Regarding "what else I could do with "company"" : Would you only use it for the headquarter or also for the "main" offices in other countries ? How to distinguish their other entities (such as warehouses etc.) ? Rtfm (talk) 22:57, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

For all offices. In my opinion, operator=* and brand=* (including their :wikipedia and :wikidata links) are there to distinguish the facilities of a company or operator.

Of course, a warehouse also has entrances and exits for the goods and, accordingly, loading zones. It remains a warehouse anyway. If the focus is on moving goods, then maybe it's less of a warehouse and more of a distribution centre. – We are primarily concerned with the attribution of companies. It is either a manufacturing company (which can also have warehouses, but these are not logistics=*) or it is a logistics company. As a rule, logistics companies do not only transport one type of cargo (seafood), but many things. For the latter, in cases where it makes sense, you can of course add logistics=*. – In cases where the fact that a warehouse is operated by government or military is or should be important, and statement in operator=* is not enough, you could add government=* or military=*. --Chris2map (talk) 07:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I took another look at it at my leisure: In my opinion, the tag is only needed to complement office=company. For the other cases of warehouse buildings and company premises, we already have the options
building=industrial + industrial=logistics  or  building=commercial + commercial=logistics
landuse=industrial + industrial=logistics  or  landuse=commercial + commercial=logistics.
Thus, in the description for company=logistics, I would explain this as well, as a supplement to office=company. Consequently, I also stick with the original grouping under Category:Offices. I ask for comments on this. --Chris2map (talk) 11:34, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

That's fine. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2023 (UTC)