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Rendering

Having a single style of rendering should be a good idea, I think ... any icon artist interrested ??--PhilippeP 09:33, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Rendering sport on Ways

A number of sports occur on linear features (roads, cliffs, tracks, pistes, rivers etc.). Currently renderers treat all ways with sport tags as areas (closed or unclosed), with undesirable results. Some or all of the following sports can validly be tagged on ways: skiing (pistes, cross-country trails, etc), climbing (rock climbing outdoors is nearly always on features which will be mapped as a way), in-line skating (some preferred roads in the Engadin), white-water rafting and kayaking, rowing (e.g., Thames at Henley), swimming (relevant section of coastline, rather than the beach or ocean). I am sure there are others. SK53 12:25, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Multi-sport venues

In much of Australia, cricket ovals are typically used for Australian rules football in the winter months. I imagine there must be other situations where sporting fields are used by different sports at different times. How should we tag this? --Rgmerk 22:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

possibly cricket:seasonal=autumn;winter ? Warin61 (talk) 00:55, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

sports field

many schools do have sports fields for all sorts of sports - I think there should be a tag "sports field" -- Schusch 20:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"Physical Feature" What makes something a physical feature?

I propose that leisure=bowling_alley is added to the list of physical features. There, sport=10pin is played. Also, since sport=billiards is not a physical feature, it relies on a physical feature which is often a bowling alley. Tagging with leisure=sports_centre conflicts with =bowling alley, so they can't occupy the same area.

Who decides what leisure is a physical feature? It is not always obvious. OscarBrownbread 21 February 2017 (UTC)

And then there will be leisure=tennis_court .. and so on. I think leisure=bowling_alley is not a great idea, I would use leisure=sports_centre, sport=10pin. I see no real conflict with a bowling ally tagged this way.
As for physical features ... sport=* is a property of a physical feature, as is length=* etc see https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Properties Warin61 (talk) 20:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree that we should not add more and more types of sports physical features that can be described using leisure=sports_centre but I don't think that a bowling alley should be strictly described this way. A bowling alley is different in many ways, there are sports such as 10pin and billiards but it also contains arcade games, cafe, bar and playgrounds. It is not obvious that a bowling alley is a sports centre. I have mapped a sports centre beside a bowling alley for example. I suppose the question is, is a leisure=bowling_alley the bowling lanes and machines (non physical feature in a sports centre) or is it the building/area you go to play 10pin etc. (a physical feature)? More importantly, I am not recommending to add leisure=bowling_alley, the fact is that it already exists in the wild and I believe it IS a physical feature. Moreover, JOSM now accepts it as a physical feature in the [latest release][1].--OscarBrownbread (talk) 10:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

sport=multi ?

I've encountered sport=multi used for this purpose though that may be of little information. According to FAQ#What shall I do for roads that have multiple values for a tag? tagging sport=cricket;australian_football would be more appropriate IMHO (though it still lacks the season aspect). On the other hand the fact that a soccer stadium might be (ab)used for a boomerang throwing competition or even a Rolling Stones concert will still let it be (mainly) a soccer stadium.--hagman 12:04, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

I think "multi" should be deprecated. It is indeed much better to use semi-colon separated sports as you suggest. Concerning other (ab)uses of the venue I'd suggest that what is important is to describe the primary -intended- nature of the venue. Uncommon uses, such as concerts for a stadium are of an opportunistic type, it is not the originally intended function of the structure. -- Manu3d 14:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Climbing

There isn't much guidance on how the sport=climbing tag should be used when dealing with outdoor features. What exactly should be tagged with sport=climbing? Possibilities include:

  • The crag (probably a node, or maybe a way following a cliff, or an area)
  • The start locations of individual routes (nodes)

Marking individual routes may be tricky in some cases (e.g. if they are close together or share the same start location), but could be very useful when routes are more spread-out. There are also potentially useful pieces of information about the routes which could be recorded, such as the grades.

Sailing

I miss a tag for sailing! --Markus 18:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC) Me too, as well as one for windsurfing, and one for kitesurfing! --Schwedenhagen 10:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Tennis/Racquet

On the main mapfeatures page sport=racquet is mentioned, on this page sport=tennis is used instead. Now that needs to have a fix. --Skinkie 12:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Volleyball

I need a volleyball hall and a beach volleyball field.--Lulu-Ann 13:02, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Signs for rendering

Hi,

I want to add signs for some kinds of sports and also want to keep one style. How can I propose a sign?

Almost all sports have a variation for indoor and outdoor. Maybe it is possible to add a tag for this? --Hanniball76 13:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Fitness centre

I am missing a standard value for fitness centres. Something like “fitness” or “body_building”. Is there anything common yet? Candid Dauth 20:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Bump --Olejorgenb 18:01, 22 October 2011 (BST)
taginfo has 520 leisure=fitness_station and 35 leisure=fitness_centre objects. --Scai 20:53, 22 October 2011 (BST)
and 291 sport=fitness (about 350 with different spelling), normally used together with leisure=sports_centre ToxyLT 09:52, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Sports are competitive, usually one person or team against another. There would not be many 'fitness' features that provide for this completion aspect? I think that most of these 'sport=fitness' are not true sports areas. Warin61 (talk) 22:50, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Swimming

Seems that sport=swimming on an area is rendered like a swimming pool - water with a darker blue border and even takes precedence over natural=beach. For swimming pools and small ponds this is appropriate, but on natural beaches this needs an agreed definition: tag where you do the swimming, not the beach where you'd keep your clothes whilst swimming. If there's no marked area in the water, by buoys or other floating markers, the outline becomes quite arbitrary... Any thoughts? Alv 21:50, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

  • Hmmm, does a beach without any swimming-facility (buoys, showers, pier, etc.) deserve being marked as a sport-place? I mean it's obvious that people can swim in the ocean which is naturally right next to a beach, but we also don't tag all roads with sport=hiking/cycling, so why tagging random beaches for swimming? Maybe I didn't get your point. -- Fröstel 23:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
There's lifeguards, toilets and some sort of and dressing rooms in the summer vs. the "wilderness" beaches so someone did add the tag already. But no markers of the area in the water. Alv 05:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
It is equivalent to taging a farmers field that locals use to play foot ball 3 times a year as a pitch when there are no gaol post, line marking. OSM does not do that so it should not tag sport=swimming where there is no permanent facility for the completion. Warin61 (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2019 (UTC)


Sports are competitive, usually one person or team against another. So a swimming pool that has no marked lanes would not be equipped for the sport swimming, simply tag it as a leisure=swimming_pool and leave the sport tag off. Warin61 (talk) 22:57, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

sport=nautical_center

For the above mention of sailing, I'am proposing and using a new tag sport=nautical_center to tag building or area related to water sports like : sailing (windsurf, kitesurf, sailing_ship, catamaran) in those grouping center, you will find boat renting, sailing formation, competition, etc. This tag is about the sport and does not cover marinas which is different. sletuffe 13:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

sport=free_flying

The proposition [[Proposed/free_flying] is duplicate with sport=paragliding while being more specific and also cover hangliding and swift. I propose that this amend the sport=paragliding sletuffe 13:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Martial Arts

While importing a data set I came across a building named "Associação de Judo Yamate" (Association of Judo Yamate), and tagged it with sport=judo but see that no martial arts are in the list. Is it wise to tag each martial art separate (karate, judo, tai-kwon-do, kung-fu, etc) or should they be put under a common sport=martial_arts? --Skippern 05:27, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

How do you map a ping pong table?

How do you map a table tennis (ping pong) table? here it is tagged as leisure=pitch, sport=table_tennis. But I think that "pitch" is not appropriate for a table. --Head 21:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

leisure=pitch seams appropriate. A pitch is any sort of playing field, and a ping pong table is certainly a playing field for ping pong. And remember that it is not just the table, but the are around the table witch could be called a "ping pong pitch". The International Table Tennis Federation requires a total playing area not less than 14 m long, 7 m wide and 5 m high for competitions. This is often best described as a pitch. Gnonthgol 22:22, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Hmm yes, I guess you're right. But then, of course, it would be fun if there was a way to also map the table. Does anyone have an idea for that? leisure=picnic table doesn't really fit here ;) --Head 07:02, 1 August 2010 (UTC)


How does one map a trampoline field?

Tagging trampoline fields (fenced fields of around 8-12 trampolines) as playground=trampoline doesn't seem to fit very well. Especially since it often isn't even located on a playground. See these images for reference/examples.

Is there something like sport=trampoline that could be used (i.e. combined with leisure=pitch)? --Mbue 10:37, 11 August 2010 (BST)

See playground equipment Lulu-Ann


Lacrosse

I'm tagging lacrosse boxes as sport=lacrosse Pnorman 23:21, 26 October 2010 (BST)

I've tagged a few myself. They are usually in combination with sport=soccer and/or sport=american_football fields. --Panther37 13:17, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Cue sport

Lets add sport=cue for cue sports, such as billiards, pool, snooker, Russian pyramid.

Against. We don't use sport=ball either. Please tag sport=billiards sport=pool sport=snooker etc. separately. --Lulu-Ann 12:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Most of cue sport centres allow to play all of them. So I'd use sport=cue as well as sport=particular_kind_of_cue_sport. The wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cue_sports mentions dozens of the variants of cue sport — too many to tag every of them. --Surly 17:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
It is up to each individual mapper, how many tags are "too many". Think about the usecase: If I am looking for a snooker table, I need a snooker information. A cue-sports information does not help at all. Same as If you are looking for a baseball court, you don't want a ballgame information. --Lulu-Ann 12:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

sport=basketball page refurbished

I just refurbished the sport=basketball page. It includes some new keys on which I'd appreciate some comments/feedback, i.e. some might be useful for other sports too. Thank you! -- Manu3d 14:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I used this page as a starter for the netball page. Very usefull. Arm chair mappers won't be able to enter all the information. Thanks Warin61 (talk) 03:52, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

sport=skittles

I propose a new tag: sport=skittles (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skittles_(sport))

--*Martin* 18:22, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Shuffleboard

I've started tagging sport=shuffleboard. It seems like people in Florida like to play. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuffleboard --Panther37 16:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Proposal: sport=table_soccer in Pubs

Hello, glad to see a legal combination of amenity=pub and sport=darts here. In German pubs, table football is most popular. It is affordable for small pubs, doesn't need that amount of space, and there are regular "Kicker" competitions in most towns. However, I didn't find a corresponding tag. Wikipedia entry is [2], but also lists table soccer, fussball, foosbal as common names.

Hereby, I propose sport=table_soccer as new tag. Native speakers might vote for alternative namings...

I just read in the Wikipedia article, that there are specific types of tables in different countries. The German type is also called tecball within ITSF. In this case, table_soccer could be the general term, and subtypes could be table_soccer:tecball or table_soccer:german. What do you think?

8 pin

can it be added 8pin sport? this is a different version of the 9pin played in the south of France (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quilles_de_huit in french sorry) Yod4z 11:55, 7 september 2011 (BST)

This is a wiki, just add it. --Scai 11:43, 7 September 2011 (BST)

type -> archery:type

FYI: I've suggested a change from type (on sport=archery elements) to archery:type here. --Tordanik 11:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

sport=roller_skating

I just tried to find the appropriate tags for an roller skating rink, and the best thing I could find is sport=roller_skating, but it's not documented on this page. Maybe we should add it? I saw there's sport=skating, but that appears to be for ice skating, and not roller skating.

Heavily flawed tagging scheme

I think the current method is heavily flawed for a bunch of reasons:

  • it makes it difficult to specify more than one sport for a place. Unfortunately - more than one sport per place is the rule and single sport areas exception.
  • it makes it hard to specify "leisure sport/activity areas" and competition-type facilities.
  • it makes it hard to distinguish designated places from places where a sport is merely possible or tolerated.

Not surprisingly, eg. the Whitewater sports use completely different tagging.

RicoZ (talk) 11:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

* More than one sport ... I have several sport=netball;tennis .. so it is possible to specify more than one sport.
* 'leisure' vs competition. Yes .. there is no present way to tag these differences.
* OSM does not map places where it is possible or tolerated to walk either... woods, forests don't get a tag for that data either.

It may have been possible to develop a better tagging system. Unfortunately the tagging talk group is not good for this. Warin61 (talk) 03:32, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps there needs to be a recreation=* to map the 'leisure' feature/activities? Warin61 (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

sport=kiteflying

would like to invent a value like this to mark areas that are suitable for Kiteflying. This areas differs to freeflying (like for hanggliders an paragliding). it could be very helpful to find suitable places for kites

How do such areas differ from landuse=meadow or similar? What kind of kites? RicoZ (talk) 10:56, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Places with high wind are preferred. So not the bottom of a valley unless there is regularly a wind there. Most kites would be hand held. Warin61 (talk) 03:37, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Removed:sport=cricket_nets

I removed sport=cricket_nets from the list as it is not a sport. It's still sport=cricket. This should be indicated with a different tag.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Asport%3Dcricket_nets

AndiG88 (talk) 10:25, 26 July 2014‎

I and others are still using sport=cricket_nets. And will continue to do so as there is no alternative.
If you want it on another tag then document this 'different tag'. Warin61 (talk) 03:14, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Contradiction with shop=sports

Until recently (ie. the last edit that had been on 2014-09-01) the page for shop=sports clarified the type of sports equipement that is sold by sport=*. This has just recently been changed to sports=*, in line with tags like eg. highway=construction, construction=*. Though this has been changed on the page, it seems the discussion about the change was actually opposing the change from sport to sports. Personally I'm in favor of saying sport=* means "I can do some sport here" because of the simplicity for data users. But I think there should be a discussion between those that care about the key sport and those that care about the shop=sports where both parties at the end share a statement about how to tag such shops and about what to expect from key sport so datausers are able to (somewhat) rely on these tags without mixing sport facilities with sport shops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BearT (talk • contribs)

Thanks for the heads up. My question would be: in which case would the data users want to unconditionally look for objects with the sport=* tag? If a data user were to do that, I think he would also want to look for sport shops and clubs. Although using sports=* may seem more consistent with other shop types, it seems more intuitive to simply use sport=* (at least for me).--Jgpacker (talk) 11:47, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, if the data user read the definition of key sport here it would be sensible to only look for sport=*, as it clearly states here it should be used to tag facilities where the sport can be played. And it does so for years now without anyone objecting it (here). In fact that's what OsmAnd seems to do, and which led me to a sports shop selling sports wear instead of a sporting site. That's where another user told me that he followed the tagging scheme documented for shop=sports and we found that both documents recently were contradicting each other (with sport=* being slightly older).
In general I'd find it quite hard to parse items with sport=* to find out if one can do some sport, or one can buy sport stuff or get informed about a sport or whatever. That's why I'd prefer to keep the definition of sport=* as written here, since there is no single tag which clearly distinguishes a sporting site from any other sport related tag (as it is eg. with place_of_worship and religion). sport=* is tagged to beaches, lakes, basins, buildings, pitches, even restaurants and whatnot. It would be nearly impossible to automatically distinguish that from sport shops or museums or sport bars where you could watch your favourite game.
PS: sorry for forgetting to sign my previous comment and thanks for fixing that. --BearT (talk) 12:57, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Personally I would use shop=sports only for general kind of sport shops but not for the narrowly specialized ones. Reading the shops page the trend seems to be to use tagging like shop=milk;cheese;meat instead of shop=food & food=milk;cheese;meat so I don't see a reason doing it differently for sport shops. And I agree that sport=* should primarily be used for sporting sites and not for shops or clubs. RicoZ (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Satellite View pitch recognition

It would be 'nice' to have a pitch layout in the table .. so armchair mappers can easily recognise the difference between the different sports. It may reduce the number of errors. Warin61 (talk) 03:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

sports=futsal (Indoor/Small playground soccer)

Hi! There are tags for many small variants of sports, but I don't see a tag for a very popular version of soccer here in Spain. It is "Futsal" (English), "Fútbol Sala" or "Fútbol 5" (Spanish) "Futebol de salão" (Portuguese), "Calcio a 5" (Italian) or "football de salle". The main difference between this sport and regular football is the size of the playground: you can't really play soccer on a futbal field, you can only play futsal. And, since futsal fields have a size similar to those of Volleyball, Handball and Basketball, many cities have "sports=multi" pitches that offer futsal, volleyball, basketball and handball fields in the same place, but most people uses to play futsal only. --Josemoya (talk) 17:49, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

sport=futsal has been documented here 3 years ago, in Spanisch 1 year ago; it has now also been added to {{Map Features:sport}} (in English so far). --Hufkratzer (talk) 19:25, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

sport=shot_put

As proposed in the German discussion of this article a "sport=shot_put" would be nice. Used already 75 times it is a nice way to tag this sport's place, as you actually need a separate place for that and it does have separate "infrastructure" (i.e. the point, where you a starting from). So it is not good to tag it as "athletics" as that is way to general. --rugk (talk) 22:14, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

long_jump

Similar to the reasons for shot_put also "long_jump" needs special infrastructure and can clearly be seen on satellite images. Thus, it is bad, IMHO, to tag it as "atheltics" as that is just too general. --rugk (talk) 22:16, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Mushing

What tags for  Mushing ?

Associated with what to describe the place to meet/rent the musher and/or the tracks used by him (and his dogs)?

--Pyrog (talk) 09:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

sport=dance vs sport=dancing

sport=dance is more popular as a tag, while sport=dancing is documented in this wiki. Which one do you think should be used? Didrik 19:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

- My grammar police says "dance" is a verb while "dancing" is a gerund that can be used as a noun. So sport=dancing is better. -- T99 (talk) 09:34, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Cornhole

What is the best tag for the sport of tossing bean bags into a hole? I'm using sport=cornhole for now. See Cornhole on Wikipedia. -- T99 (talk) 09:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Ya we don't have an official tag for that as of now but what you used should work. Lectrician1 (talk) 04:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Foosball

Yet another new type of feature in the park I'm mapping now. How about leisure=pitch and sport=foosball (see Table football on Wikipedia). -- T99 (talk) 09:50, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

sport=table_soccer already documented. 276 instances.
More details at taginfo
---- Kovposch (talk) 10:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Dragon boat

I've noticed there are a variety of values used for dragon boats (see Dragon boat on Wikipedia) but based on an overpass query it looks like sport=dragon_boat is the most common with 8 instances followed by sport=dragonboat at 4 instances. I plan to add the commonly used value to the wiki and harmonise usage but am not sure if this is the correct process so feel free to correct me. --Wmorland (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

With so rare tags you can try to look at object history and ask people who added it about their opinion. But with so rare tags retagging is in general fine (but do not keep changing back if someone disagrees! You can also ask for extra feedback on tagging mailing list) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 20:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
These are not added in Asia so far. I don't find a special need to have a sport=* for every different boat out there yet. Cf kayak is currently included in sport=canoe, despite ~260 sport=*kayak* used. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/sport#values --- Kovposch (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
My two cents is that as the sport tag is used to identify which sports can be played in a location that it proves useful as a way for folks to search where they can participate in a certain sport. I don't see a good existing analog for Dragon boats given the significant differences from other water sports so I don't see another way for map users to find dragon boating. That being said it is quite rare, it might be interesting to see if it becomes used more once surfaced on the wiki. --Wmorland (talk) 09:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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