Talk:Wiki/Archive 11

Per language feeds of wiki edits?

Hi, I am very new to OSM community and looked for RSS feeds of the activities written in my language on this wiki. It seems some languages have their namespace (ex ES) but my language(KO) is treated as a plain suffix of the title of the page. So technically it is possible to subscribe to the Spanish feed from https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/api.php?action=feedrecentchanges&namespace=204, but not for Korean. I see adding a new namespace is not the good solution based on some articles. But because the API supports tag filtering, I would subscribe a tag if there is a certain tag. It will be good if someone creates new AbuseFilters and manage them to automatically add the tags to edits when the articles start with '<LANGUAGE_CODE>:'. --Megumi2103 (talk) 10:08, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

@Megumi2103: A few languages have their own namespaces for historical reasons, but language namespaces aren't being created anymore; instead, pages are being created in the main namespace with prefixes that look like namespaces. It is possible to create tags and assign them using abuse filters, similar to the one we created one to track edits to data item descriptions, but it gets throttled too easily to be useful. We'd also have to create one per language, which could be a performance issue. For now, one alternative is to search for pages containing the language code and sort by freshness, like this search for Korean. However, I don't think MediaWiki offers an RSS feed of Special:Search. Translatewiki.net uses the CleanChanges extension to provide an option to filter Special:RecentChanges by language code; the operations team is responsible for deciding which extensions to install. [1] – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 00:57, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Follow up Github issue: https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/797

It was closed with "The OWG requires extension requests come from wiki sysadmins. A wiki admin can open a new request for this extension if the wiki admins believe it should be added to the OSM wikis." Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Do we mark this as resolved or continue doing more for this? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 19:18, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Resolved: Making as not actionable - please comemnt if you have an idea for specific actions we can do Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 08:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Category:Pages unavailable in highway

Any idea what causes https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Pages_unavailable_in_highway&action=edit&redlink=1 to be filled and how to stop this?

Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 11:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

{{Langcode}} needs |Highway=en added. Andrew (talk) 12:03, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Why adding such hack would be a good idea? Maybe better to stop this template from being triggered in the first place in Proposal namespace? Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 05:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: These pages date to the days when some users thought all wiki pages are supposed to be namespaced using colons, just like tags in the database. This is how we got pages like Canada:British Columbia:Cowichan Valley Regional District and Canada:Ontario:Burlington/Public Transport/Analysis/Burlington Transit-Routes. But MediaWiki uses a slash for delimiting the parts of a subpage's name, so I've been renaming these pages as I come across them. Plus, categories mean that we usually don't even need to use subpages like in a file system. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 22:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

I am thinking about moving Highway:International equivalence to Highway - International equivalence or Highway/International equivalence. Is anyone opposed to such change? Or see a better name? Redirect would remain. Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Mateusz Konieczny: I'd suggest either "Highways/International equivalence" (as a subpage of "Highways") or "International highway classification equivalence" (which reads more naturally). While we're at it, {{Map Features:highway}} is another example of that mistaken colon namespacing, though it isn't breaking anything at the moment. – Minh Nguyễn ^💬 01:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

In this case I'd prefer "International highway classification equivalence", but subpage style is OK, too. --Chris2map (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Moved to International highway classification equivalence (redirect remains so things should not break) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 13:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am against it. No spaces are used between hyphens. And "International equivalence" is not a subpage of "Highway" (because there is no such page). maro21 20:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

On this Wiki, we have such a system that what comes before the colon is a language code that creates an additional namespace. So in the names of these templates there should be no colon. maro21 20:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Maro21: do you want mark this page as not resolved or would it be fine to archive it as resolved? (it seems that you are not protesting the move but I want to confirm) Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:49, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

The category "Pages unavailable in highway" is empty now so I think the issue is resolved. I also fixed the last page there so it's empty now. Sorry for my late response before. maro21 20:11, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Abbreviations and misspellings in search

The page Abbreviations says that editors should enter the full name of any object. Indeed, for a newly built street the full name "Kerstingatan" (in Linköping, Sweden) has been entered, and searching for that name works fine. And searching for the abbreviation "Kersting." also finds it. Is this some magic in the search engine? However, searching for another common abbreviation "Kerstingat." gives no hit. So is there a list of abbreviations (g. = gatan) where we could add gat. = gatan? Further, adding an "s" in the middle would be a common misspelling (Kerstinsgatan) and could we make the search engine find the right street anyway? --LA2 (talk) 12:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

@LA2: Search engine used at osm.org is Nominatim and yes, it has some limited "magic". Its issue tracker may already have relevant issue there or maybe it would be worth reporting Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Does openstreetmap.org produce statistics on searches that people make? Can we find out how many search Stokholm vs Stockholm, Linköpingvägen vs Linköpingsvägen, Elmhult vs Älmhult vs Almhult? --LA2 (talk) 19:27, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. maro21 20:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Your question is beyond the scope of this Wiki. The proper place for this question would be: https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/issues maro21 20:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Resolved: Seems resolved as far as OSM Wiki is concerned Mateusz Konieczny (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)