Talk:Wiki/Archive 2

Side bar

We can alter the navigation bar on the left of the wiki, to include a link to the map (and anything else you'd like), would you like it?

That would be a good idea in my opinion. Adding Portal:Users to it would be good. Bruce89 22:32, 23 Jun 2006 (UTC)

Now that we are on a newer version, this is very easy. Just need to edit MediaWiki:Sidebar (protected sysops only). We might want to think a bit about naming of these 'portals' though see Talk:Portal:Users. -- Harry Wood 18:04, 9 October 2006 (BST)

I havent taken into account the talk at Talk:Portal:Users but this was the idea I came up with a while ago User:Rickm/Sidebar. --Rickm 01:35, 10 October 2006 (BST)

I am now a wiki sysop, and I have made some improvements to the sidebar. Please take further discussion to MediaWiki talk:Sidebar. I'm open to suggestions for further improvement, although we also want a reasonable period of stability -- Harry Wood 19:50, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Top-left icon link

As discussed on Talk:Main Page#Top-left icon link, we should maybe link the big fat icon to the openstreetmap.org homepage (not just from the sidebar) -- Harry Wood 13:54, 25 Jul 2006 (BST)

Page vistor stats

Small thing. I haven't looked into it yet but its possible to turn on 'statistics gathering' in MediaWiki to see how many vistors, how many page views, etc. Say if you want it.

Special Pages (general)

Just FYI, its possible to write special pages that are basically PHP scripts that can for example, pull information from the OSM database and display it in the wiki however we want. An example is this, its a calendar php special page, the information is generated from a PHP script that retrieves event information from a sql database.

Who gets permission to create those pages? We could do some neat stuff (e.g. coordinate conversion, or indexes of various items in the database) but if someone abuses it what's to stop them making the page impossible to revert?

Just to clarify, the way it works is the the PHP has to be uploaded by an admin, so any useful pages (after an admin's checking) I imagine will be included. Re: stopping abuse, the PHP code will be checked before hand, I don't forsee problems there. Please give more details on what you suggest if you still think its of value :) --Rickm 03:35, 18 September 2006 (BST)

To put it on the site, someone with access to the ftp server uploads it, anyone can write the PHP and give it to them though. The PHP can only be altered directly on the server. These 'MediaWiki Extensions' can result in a new page in the 'Special:' namespace like Special:Recentchanges, or alternatively they can make a new tag available for us on any wiki page (the tag invokes the php function). Could use this to suck in some interesting data. e.g. bring in a dynamic list of your mapping contributions, to appear on your wiki user page. The php code can't be altered through the wiki interface. --Rickm 03:35, 18 September 2006 (BST)

How does caching (sp?) work with the PHP pages? Can you set them to run the script no more than once a day for any given set of input parameters, for example?

There's no caching in built. We could write caching into a php script though

Wiki upload file types

Do we want to allow gpx and osm files so that you can store a village's data.osm in the wiki and others can render that without having to download from the main server. Maybe consider allowing xcf (GIMP) files so we can upload layered images, PDF files for rendered output, or even ZIP files for snippets of software. - from this message on the dev list

Problem is that xcf is the format is only documented in the GIMP's source code. Bruce89 22:33, 23 Jun 2006 (UTC)

Besides, as far as I know, SVG supports leyers as well as being vectorised. Use SVG instead of XCF --Skippern 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Spam reverting feature

Create a button for reverting last edit of an article: to make removing spam easy.--Gerchla 10:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

The wiki community here is easily big enough to remove any spam pretty quickly when it occurs, so unlike on some wikis I've seen, spam really isn't a problem here. If you have this discussion with MediaWiki designers they will explain to you some subtle factors at play here. Did you consider, for example, that a malicious vandal might go clicking the 'quick revert' button everywhere? Basically you're not likely to come up with a silver-bullet wiki spam solution which MediaWiki developers haven't already thought about. But anyway as I say, we don't really have a problem. -- Harry Wood 19:42, 22 July 2007 (BST)

Wiki Search integration with mailing list

Make the wiki search page also display results for a search of the mailing list. Alternativly just add a link to the top of the search page they can click on to do that search on the list Nabble search link Gmane search link - both just talk, not dev atm. --Rickm 05:02, 18 September 2006 (BST)

Globe icons for OSM Map links

If we want to have a little globe icon appearing on the end of any link to a OSM map (i.e. slippy map), instructions are at User:Rick/Globe. It would appear like this, but a globe the link

Update search database

Update search database everytime when an article is changed: only need to scan current article. --Gerchla 10:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Database is updated daily. Creating the search DB is fairly intensive task -- Firefishy 14:50, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Community Portal

At these times OSM is not working the way it should I think. On sunday (2 days ago) the API was down for 6 hours; today the Yahoo maps don't show in potlatch... and a have difficulties to find a place to announce this, a sort of Community Portal would be nice as in wikipedia with a link to it on the menu. Where else can I write these things or have the chance to wake up someone pointing to a problem?? The status pages are only updated manually...

Forming a Wiki Team

• In order to shorten the following reading: The Wikiteam has been founded. Contact: here and here. Good luck! -- Tirkon 07:10, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I got a few times the hint that some people would like to contribute to the wiki but lack of knowledge to change some pages e.g. Tables, Templates usage. They wished some kind of guardian that they could consult if they arent't sure. And they would like to ask somebody where they can find what in the wiki.

What about forming a wiki team that support normal users if they have questions?

The wiki people could benefit in this by coordinating e.g. who is monitoring which pages, working on cleanup, ...

Currently I'm working on a statistic on the wiki usage that shows how little people realy working on updating/refactoring/updating the wiki --!i! 07:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

You mean there are other people working on clean ups? :-) Great idea where should they ask questions, on http://help.openstreetmap.org ? Erik Johansson 21:01, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes I made a report on the wiki edits last 3month and send a pm to the most active ones. IMHO it would be cool to form a team to coordinate us and to make it people easy to join :) Your link is very much unknown to my german OSM community. But you are right, there are other channels for support, too. But to make it as easy as possible to new editors we should offer direct contact?--!i! 21:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi guys, Yes,its nice to see that I'm not the only one who think documenting is important. Yes I want to put some effort in supporting others. Maybe a Wiki mailinglist will be a great start. ZMWandelaar

Well just another ML is IMHO not a good idea. What will it be for? For internal or external communication? I guess people expect Wiki members right here: at the wiki ;) --!i! 22:20, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

What I understand is that you want to form a group of senior Wiki users contributing in supporting junior or medior Wiki users in contributing to Wiki. Are there more goals? ZMWandelaar

Yes right some guidance to the new ones. As I said it is furthermore a chance for the senios to get better connected and work together on bigger tasks, getting feedback on ideas,...--!i! 08:35, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

To do so in an Geografically difficult team we need a fast and firm communication system. Therefore I proposed a Mailing list cause these TALK pages a highly annoying while discussing a matter. Next to the ML-channel it's maybe good to introduce IRC/MSN for incidential live discussions. Important endresults out of these discussions should be maintained into Wiki pages concerned.--ZMWandelaar 12:06, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah ok I see your point. So lets wait what the others say. --!i! 12:18, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, Let's wait. I suggest the following first steps:

• Collect all names of currunt project members
• Descide what communacation channels will be used
• Organise primairy channels
• Start ProjectPage: Static data, Actual "Todo list"

--ZMWandelaar 13:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

It makes sense to offer a way for people to ask questions (though help.openstreetmap.org already works quite well for the English-speaking community), and for coordination of wiki work. Ideally, it should be an easily useable communication channel. Therefore, it should not be a wiki talk page. While a mailing list is a better choice than a wiki page, these are not considered comfortable by most non-technical users either. If we make sure that there is a web frontend for the mailing list, then it could work. Otherwise, creating a "wiki" sub-forum on forum.openstreetmap.org would seem a good option. --Tordanik 17:48, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Agree. Discussions on Forum and Collecting ToDo's on our ProjectWikiPage wil be a strong communication channel. --ZMWandelaar 09:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Agree I preffer a forum cause of the SingleSignon so everybody has a login and can drop us a message. We might think about IRC or if everybody wants to publish a IM account or if we pledge onself to enable the wiki mail function and to monitor our mailbox x times per day? I asked user:Lambertus for a subforum --!i! 11:12, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

On what page would you like to discuss Cleanups on bigger pages? What about cleaning up the WikiProject Cleanup page first? I guess this should be the central place? --!i! 14:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I created the draft of a userbox template Template:UserWikiTeam. We can adapt our signatures, too --!i! 17:01, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Now there is a category and Wikiteam page for further informations. Feel free to join or add informations.... --!i! 13:13, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I contacted a lot of people worked/ing on the wiki (sry for the spam folks) hopefully we get some much more :) --!i! 16:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree to join up. As a former librarian, I get interested in categorizing and namely building a general frame (or tree) with 10 super-categories or so. I can let French users to know what it could have be proposed. Ch. Rogel 21:29, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thats cool. I have never thought that much about Categories but recognized they are important to find similar pages. Personaly I focus a bit more on updating/merging pages. --!i! 09:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

I also agree to work on the Team, though my efforts recently have dwindled somewhat since finally getting a job, as koha developer. Martin Renvoize

Added; I'de better start being useful again then.. Martin Renvoize 08:04, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem Martin. Everybody can spend as much time as he personaly has. The only thing is we should coordinate the monitoring on bigger pages and "communication" pages when somebody external adds a request.

Do you agree to continue the team management works on talk:wiki/team?--!i! 09:09, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

For your attention, I bloged about the current wiki usage [1] --!i! 19:41, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Ill join this wikiteam... not on osm a supper lot anymore, but Ill try and help out, give ideas, work though solutions where needed. I installed all the wiki templates found on the USA wiki project, and the proposal pages, so I know my way around a wiki.. Ill try and check in every now and then. Check out Blue Ribbon features if you get the chance. Something I'm proposing. --Nickvet419 18:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll join this wikiteam. I am one of the main contributor in translating to Brazilian Portuguese (Pt-br namespace). Mainly work on translating tags. Brazilian Portuguese is not my main language, but since I live in Brazil, and hope for the Brazilian comunity to grow, I feel it is better with a page with bad grammar than no page at all. Tag documentation in Brazilian Portuguese is important for reqruiting more Brazilian users to OSM, as English skills usually are very limited. --Skippern 22:31, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Armenian

Hi! How i can add link to Armenian main page in "Available languages" template? User:Pandukht

Was on my talk page, sorry to complicated for me, anybody with more experience in this templates? --!i! 19:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. --Mormegil 11:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Great, thank you! --!i! 16:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks everybody:)--Pandukht 13:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Reordering Navigation panel

Hi, few weeks ago I read about a user mentioning a better order for the left panel you always see in the wiki. Is there anything happened? --!i! 18:08, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Local groups

Hi, the german divison has a template to branding the local groups that meet regulary: Template:Lokale_Gruppe. That is collected and displayed for example at www.openstreetmap.de. Would be cool to extend it for a worldwide use, right? Is there anybody that can integrate an OpenLayers map displaying a KML/GML with a listing of all groups? --!i! 18:11, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

I create template:user group. Feel free to improve it. I also added an entry to our forum. --!i! 12:06, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Problem with template

Hi, can anybody help me fixing an issue why using Template:Countryflag will result in a linebreak after the flag? --!i! 14:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

It should be fixed. --Andrew 17:52, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Andrew! --!i! 20:21, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

help for Template formating

Hi, once again I would need the help of another wiki specialist. Currently my template gets problems, even if you add the attributes but they are empty. So my code surrounding this issue doesn't seem to work :/ Template:User_group. Rome/Incontro is such an example --!i! 09:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks to user:Firefishy this was fixed :) --!i! 09:43, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

PNG size links on SVG pages

Commons and other Wikimedia wikis show links for automatically rendered pngs in various sizes on the image description pages for SVGs. Example: [2] ("This image rendered as PNG in other sizes"). Is there an easy way to implement that feature on our wiki, too? The rendering already works, of course, but links like that would make the functionality more clearly available, especially for people who don't have SVG editors installed. --Tordanik 21:07, 30 April 2011 (BST)

Done - Firefishy 12:53, 1 May 2011 (BST)

User working on established Templates

Hi, as some might notice User:Verdy p is working on a lot of templates that are spread on a lot of pages as languages or Software2. Even he tries to do it well, please let's keep an eye on this, as altering this templates causes a lot of rerendering nested pages. --!i! 19:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Sub- and SubSubTags

Hi, i miss some comfort to tag something like this:
cycleway:right:surface=wood
I think it make no sense, create a page (by following the red link).
My proposal is, to link the Tag to surface, and Value to wood.
Here some ideas:
cycleway:right:surface=wood
cycleway:right:surface=wood
cycleway:right:surface=wood because right, left and both belong directly to (cycle)way, its a own way (like right_cycleway:surface=*)
I prefer the second or third one.
It helps to create footway:left:smoothness, parking:left:lane, oneway:bicycle=yes etc.
I fond on other wiki-pages the "subkey=???" and this ":=", but first it does not help (especially for Values), and second i don't found a docu in this wiki.
vehicle:backward=no (Tag|vehicle|:=backward||no)
vehicle:backward=no (Tag|vehicle||no|subkey=backward)
-- MasiMaster 16:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we have Mediwiki strings extensions, that can deal with this problem (finding ':' and adapt wiki links). Anybody knows? BTW this is a very often used template, so changing it is very fragiles as it needs a lot of page updates :(

I'm not sure if there is some kind of agreement if this kind of subspacing is accepted by the community, as on the other hand we need some more general templates to make a tagging scheme description more machine readable. So templates expressing master keys, enumerated values for subkeys and so on... --!i! 16:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

You say "this is a very often used template" and "not sure if there is some kind of agreement is accepted by the community". I agree to both, and say: it's a "de facto"-norm. :) Or where/how can we ask the community!? Like a "simple" key or value proposal? ... Additional: I found Proposed: right/left that used :right/:left. More than 66% approve this. -- MasiMaster 20:39, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

IMO the problem is, that we don't have any agrgeement on how I call it 'meta-tagging thigns' like how should we create multi-value pairs, how to use flags and subspacing, guidelines for namespacing and so on and so on. As said beside this 'social' problems there are technical problems. To me it seems to be pretty hard to extend the template in your suggested way, but maybe I'm just not skilled enough. if somebody tries to fix that, please use a new template for testing, to avoid wrong links and stressing the cache, please! --!i! 22:40, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I had done it. It should work good: Template:Testdummy. Some hints and examples are here: Testdummy-Examples -- MasiMaster 13:50, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Spam user?

I'm not sure if user:Deutsch_und_Stolz does some bad edits, as he adds contgories for german translation, even on pages that are obviously already translated and so on. What does you say? --!i! 21:46, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah User talk:Deutsch und Stolz

Not spam as such. He's clearly not managing to advertise anything. Could be vandalism, but I think it's most likely just somebody who doesn't understand what they're doing. Maybe you could translate my question into german, but to me it looks like all of those edits are wrong and need reverting.

-- Harry Wood 00:21, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

As he noticed this discussion, without any comments, we should revert the changes and maybe bann the user if he still proceeds --!i! 06:47, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Shorter Wiki URLs

Both http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM and http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/JOSM link to the same page, with the longer version currently being the default URL. But since the wiki already has its own subdomain, the "/wiki" path seems redundant, and the shorter URLs are more readable and handy e.g. when pasting them somewhere. Is it possible to configure the wiki to use the shorter URLs by default? --Tordanik 17:09, 6 April 2012 (BST)

Extensions Requests

InputBox

I'de like to see Extension:InputBox added - This would enable some simple "create" pages that load up a preload edit page. Martin Renvoize 11:02, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Enabled -- Firefishy 14:47, 15 September 2011 (BST)

StringFunctions

I'm thinking Extension:StringFunctions. Use of {{#explode:}} could simplify calling some of the templates: instead of (or making optional) passed parameters, they could be computed from the {{PAGENAME}}. Because Key: and Tag: aren't namespaces, titleparts is less useful than it could be. --goldfndr 11:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I have enabled $wgPFEnableStringFunctions which is part of Extension:ParserFunctions. --Firefishy 14:51, 15 September 2011 (BST)

FlaggedRevs

Please consider adding Extension:FlaggedRevs to OSM wiki, and put me and User:Steve in the 'editor' and 'reviewer' groups. --BrandonSkyPimenta (Talk • Contribs) 18:58, 29 May 2012 (BST)

There are no need to enable this extention with the current rate of vandalism. This extention will require the administrators to validate all the edits made to the wiki and there are desire to have to do so.

As for the seccond part of the request, no users will be granted any extra powers without proving themselves responsable enough. Gnonthgol 20:45, 29 May 2012 (BST)

Embed Videos on Wiki Pages

Would it be possible to instal the Embed video extension. The main reason I am looking for this is to allow videos illustrating how to use JOSM, JOSM Plugins, Potlatch, iD etc, basically as a training tool integrated into the wiki page itself, rather than just an external link. DaCor (talk) 17:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

PRE-box

In a PRE-box, line-height is too low and underscores (_) are cut. In the following example, shop=scuba_diving looks like shop=scuba diving, which is missleading.. Proposed_features/scuba_diving#Dive-Shops

Tested with Opera and FireFox on Windows --t-i 23:27, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Not just because it's in a pre box. Also a problem here: amenity=dive_center but not here: Tag:amenity=dive_center. Maybe we can fix this in the style definition of Template:Tag. -- Harry Wood 01:01, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

<>Using the Wiki from mobile devices

Has there ever been any discussion of adding the Mobile Frontend extension? I'd like to be able to use the resources of the OSM Wiki from a mobile device. --Mnewnham (talk) 04:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Even if it doesn't is my own requirement, I think it's not that a big problem. On another wiki I got good results with a mobile theme and a browser switch. --!i! 08:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Note, just discussed there: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Mark%20Newnham/diary/19723 --Aseerel4c26 (talk) 12:55, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hidden IFrame for JOSM link

It would be nice to add in the main template, or probably by script, an hidden iFrame as target of http://localhost:8111 links.

I think a global javascript can add the iframe with an id like josmTarget when the page is loaded, and put a target="josmTarget" on each link starting with http://localhost:8111

It would avoid opening a new tab with right click on the link.

--FrViPofm 15:06, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Something like that :

addOnloadHook(function () {
  var target = "hidenIFrame";
  var frame = document.body.appendChild(document.createElement("iframe"));
  frame.setAttribute("style","display:none");
  frame.setAttribute("id",target);
  frame.setAttribute("name",target);
  var links0 = document.getElementById('bodyContent');
  var links = document.getElementById('bodyContent').getElementsByTagName('a');
  for(var a in links) {
    if(links[a].href && links[a].host == 'localhost:8111') {
        links[a].setAttribute("target",target);
    }
  }
})

OK. It still open a new tab, but it doesn't replace the current one. I you put this code on your monobook.js, you can check the j link in

--FrViPofm 23:07, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Any idea how to do this with MediaWiki 1.17? -- Firefishy 14:53, 15 September 2011 (BST)

Install extension for including videos (youtube, etc.)

Could somebody please install an extension for including videos in a OSM wiki page? Or is there already an extension installed? Which one?

Gubaer 10:55, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

you can find all installed extension here. There is no one extension from YouTube extensions --Dnikitin 17:36, 20 April 2011 (BST)

External URL Whitelist

Is it possible to exempt links to well-known OSM tools from the captcha requirement? Even adding Template:KeyDescription to a page results in a captcha right now (because of the osmdoc/tagwatch/tagstats links). --Tordanik 20:00, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Please add these to the talk page of MediaWiki:Captcha-addurl-whitelist -- Firefishy 20:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Explain it to newbies

What about this clip to show newbies the principals of a wiki? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnL00TdmLY --!i! 08:49, 10 August 2010 (BST)

Request Template development

Hi for refactoring Software we need somebody that is able to build up a clever template. Anybody out there? --!i! 13:44, 12 August 2010 (BST)

Bot flag request: TTTBot

I intend to use a bot for keeping tables such as those on Software/Mobile_phones synchronized with each other and with info boxes on software description pages. For now, I'm planning to only run it once a day after beginning regular operation, and the bot will only perform a few write edits each time - the exact number depends on what tables need to be updated, of course, but there aren't that many pages that contain software overview tables right now, and each such page will be edited at most once per bot run.
It would be useful to have a bot flag for the account User:TTTBot: It's required for history/watchlist bot filters to work properly. And, of course, it could make sense to include external links (e.g. to the projects' websites) in some of the tables - I haven't implemented solving captchas yet. ;-) --Tordanik 21:44, 27 August 2010 (BST)

Bot group added. -- Firefishy 10:44, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Thumbnails Problem

Hi, there seem to be a problem with adding new animated GIF files: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:MV-history.gif The gif works fine on my PC dunno why he reports a "missing thumbnail parameters" :( Anybody an idea how to fix it? --!i! 08:55, 30 August 2010 (BST)

Fixed. HUGE image. 125 frames. It was exceeding mediawiki sanity checks + memory usage limit. I've upped these for now. If it cause problem I'll need to reduce it. --Firefishy 12:31, 23 September 2010 (BST)

Template-based software table generation to go "live" next week

As mentioned previously, we (= User:!i! + me) are trying to replace manually updated wiki tables with similar tables that are created by a bot. You can see a few tests on subpages of my user page, for example: all software, Desktop software only. We intend to place tables like these on pages in the article namespace soon.

I'm announcing this to make sure that no one has objections, especially from a technical POV. The bot software has already been run a few times, and I haven't noticed any significant issues myself.

For more information, see User:TTTBot, Template:Software2 and Template:SoftwareTable. --Tordanik 20:57, 17 October 2010 (BST)