Talk:Tag:tourism=camp site

Rendering (proposal)

File:Camp-three.png

I think we should have different kinds of icons for the differend kinds of campsites. (See above). Green (only tents), green with a little campfire (backcountry, no services, campfires allowed), blue (caravans - rv allowed), red (large campsites, lots of services, long term or semi-permanent residents) and so on. -- GercoKees 15:46, 11 December 2007

Miscellaneous

In this page, the tag camp_site is applicable to nodes only. In the Key:tourism page, it is applicable to nodes and areas. Which page is right ? Osmarender doesn't seem to take into account the camp_site as an area.

of course: area and node! --Markus 07:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

To further this question it seems that some camp site tags only apply to nodes according to the wiki. For example, I want to add a scout camp which is fairly large in area and encompasses multiple buildings and other facilities. I was going to tag it the same way you tag schools but according to the wiki the scout=yes tag only applies to nodes, not areas. Is this an error, can you apply the scout=yes tag to an area? Exiton 22:06, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

The best way would be to set it up as a site relation --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 14:55, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

How can you add the contact telephone number of the campsite? Robneild 09:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

website=URL --Markus 07:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I like the idea to add information to the camp site node (or area) and differ between different kinds. Since there are 4 different icons proposed the tags should be equivalent to these icons. Why don't we put a scale scheme, perhaps like this: type=1/2/3/4? Alternative: Shouldn't there be a tag service=yes/no? And what does tents=yes mean? That there are only tents permitted? --Geogast 13:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Maybe some sort of logarithmic scale? scale=1 : up to 10 people scale=2 up to 100 people scale=3 up to 1000 people? In the Netherlands we have the so called Paalkampeerterreinen (pole-campsites) where only 3 tents at the same time are allowed (approx 10 people) and where one camps in a circle around a pole just somewhere in the wild... Tents=yes means that at least tents are allowed I guess.... GercoKees 18:16, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Why not "tents=100" if there is space for about 100 tents? Would be much easier than to invent a new system with scales -- Skunk 17:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, why not? tents=yes means tents are allowed. It says only that and implies nothing else. tents=100 means tents=yes and also that there is space for 100 of them. AlaskaDave (talk)

This was proposed in the past: see Tags for the whole campsite --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Scout camps (gender distinction)

I like the idea of noting scout camps with "scout=yes". But I think it could be slightly more specific. I propose "scout=boy" for camps which are used primarily by organizations such as the Boy Scouts of America, and "scout=girl" for camps used primarily by organizations such as the Girl Scouts of the USA. (There is one of each variety in my area.) The existing "scout=yes" can still be used for camps which are used by scouts of both genders. Vid the Kid 02:32, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Surely scout camp sites (or those operated by other organisations) count as private areas, and therefore wouldn't normally be on a public map? But if it was necessary to note these, surely it would be better to use a standard operator name. Scout=yes is meaningless to those who don't know how your particular country's organisation works (indeed in writing this I'm jumping to assumptions about your boy scout organisation being one which operates private sites for scouts only). Rostranimin 19:31, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Further specifications

caravan=yes/no if the site allows or not caravans (untagged means no information), cabins=yes/no/number for cabins. Can probably add even more information, as the level of service on camp sites varies a lot. Some sites offer only cold shower while other have hot shower as well water and electrical power for caravans. --Skippern 03:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

You also need the converse for Tag:tourism=caravan_site to indicate that a caravan site accepts tents. ChrisB 16:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

It is more than that: see camping for overlanders --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Seasonal Opening

Is there a tag (except from note) to add information that a camping site is not open through the entire year ? --Creando 16:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Please have a look at key:opening hours --!i! 08:32, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Further ideas

• basing upon this ideas there is a proposal: Proposed_features/Extend_camp_site

We have a cooperation here in Germany state Mecklenburg Vorpommern with a camping foundation. They have already a very poor internet map and allowed us to add camping sites out of there catalog. There they attribute every camp with a few icons: http://camping-caravan-mv.de/die-regionen/campingplatz-details.php?region=2&cp_id=100# that could give ideas for us:

A few that are very usefull for direct tagging:

Attribute	Description	possible Key
wash basin,shower (Waschbecken/Dusche)	is there warm/cold washing place?	washing=yes,warm,cold
babybath (Babybad)	is there some place to take care of babys?
caravan disposal (Caravanentsorung)	is there a place to disposal cemical toilets,...	disposal=yes
power supply (Stromanschluss)	which power_supply supported	power_suppply=schuko,CEE Part time power availability to be added (see [[#Attributes for overlander camping|Attributes for overlander camping) --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:08, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
clothes washing (Textilreinigung)	can I clean my clothes?	cleaning=washing_machine,dryer,...
leasing (Miete)	can I lease a XYZ?	leasing=caravan,bungalow,boats....
payment (Kartenzahlung)	can I pay with XYZ?	payment=Visa,EC,...
dogs (Hunde)	can I take my animal?	animals=dogs,horse,...
places (Stellplätze)	how much caravan/tent places for tourists and for long time camper?	Differ for places_tourism, places_period
lunch brake (Mittagsruhe)	Is there a low silence mode at high noon?
awards (Auszeichnungen)	Did the camp get awards?	award=ADAC 2006
association (Verbands-Mitlgied)	This camp is member of XYZ association	association=VCWMV e.V., Tourismusverband,...

A few that are useful but can be tagged as separate nodes already:

Attribute	Description	possible Key
toilet
Shop
Restaurants,fast_food
Shop
beach (nudist)
Shop
piers
sailing, motorboat, water ski
table tennis, riding, golf, diving
pool

--!i! 13:01, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How to tag a non-dedicated campsite?

On hiking routes there are often non-dedicated campsites. These are good places for impromptu camping, but don't have any improvements and facilities. How can we tag the differentiation to a dedicted campsite? --Rudolf 09:10, 28 June 2012 (BST)

Solved. I have overseen backcountry=yes.

Can someone explain the difference between backcountry=yes and impromptu=yes? According to wikipedia, I think that's the same thing. --Rudolf 10:56, 28 June 2012 (BST)

Vote for backcountry=yes from my side! This tagging would be consistent with the one described at the hiking page. --Lpirl (talk) 16:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I oppose the proposal as it is too restrictive: overlanders also use parkings and police stations as unofficial campings. See camping for overlanders below. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

IMHO that tag mostly transform the original meaning of what a "camp_site" is (juste like impromptu=yes). I would find it much easier for data usage to split camp_site in "with facilities" (tourism=camp_site) and "without" (something like tourism=bivouac_site). sletuffe (talk) 01:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Set impromptu deprecated

IMHO the tag impromptu=yes/no is contradictorily. Impromptu means: "Prompted by the occasion rather than being planned in advance." If we map a campsite then it is not impromptu anymore. So this tag don't make much sense. What do you think? --Rudolf 08:40, 2 July 2012 (BST)

Right, one can never know if someone planned to go to a campsite or not (even if its not mapped) --Lpirl (talk) 16:05, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Tag backcountry=yes is mainy used by hikers and cyclists. It does not cover the needs of overlanders. Although impromptu=yes is not intuitive it therefore should not be depreciated. See section about overlanding below. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 13:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree that impromptu=yes is a bit confusing, and too far from a camp_site definition, I'd favor moving those site to a more specific and independent key. (i.e. to not set tourism=camp_site) sletuffe (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2016 (UTC) tourism=bivouac_site and tourism=impromptu

What does "Impromptu" really mean here? Does it mean that this is in fact a dedicated camp site, where you can go without calling the owner in advance? Or does it mean that this is just some random area (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features), where someone decided to camp? --Hjart (talk) 09:53, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Based on the page Key:impromptu which lists examples like a police station, park, public beach, meadow, or a remote area chosen for it's natural beauty, yes, it appears these are random places that someone was once able to camp. I believe this does not fit the definition of camp_site, and is not always verifiable by other mappers by visiting the location. --Jeisenbe (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

entrance/reception marking

What ís the best way to map very big camp site? I see two options:

1. I put all tags to the area and then map separate building and mark is as entrance/reception. 2. I put all tags to the node where the entrance/reception is located and map the perimeter/fence/boundary separately.

In case 1 the entrance can be really unclear which makes good navigation impossible - tourist may end up at the fence from completely different direction. In case 2 the overall shape of the campsite can not be correctly rendered on map, because the connection with the campsite is lost/very loose. --Jakubt 14:21, 8 July 2012 (BST)

If you do know the area you can put an entrance node at the proper place and tag that separately. If you know building locations you could make a site relation. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

key: rating of campsite (1-5 stars)

In Europe at least any camp-site has a rating from 1 to 5 stars. Its an important criteria to select a camp site. Why not add it key for it?

Who rates the camp sites? Is this something that is done all over Europe or only in EU or any other part? Is this star system comparable to other quality system? Is it even comparable to itself? If there is a nice objective system for determining the quality of camp sites it is worth a tag. Most quality systems I have seen have been managed by catalogs and quite a lot of them are not reliable at all. Gnonthgol (talk) 14:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I think rating camp_sites is better left to end users. It's an opinion and highly subjective. That said, the "stars=*" rating system is already being used in OSM. AlaskaDave (talk)

Private camp sites with restricted access

Sometimes there are private camp sites belonging to an organisation, where only the organisation's members have access to the camp site. Often, the camp site would host more or less permanently installed caravans. Should these areas be tagged as camp_site at all, maybe with the attribute access:private? Or is it better not to use camp_site? What's the best way to tag these areas? Without further specification, camp_site will be misleading because you cannot just stay over for a night.

with no further guidance, all we can do is add access=private. Jidanni (talk) 01:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Dev of Other Features Table

As a follow up to discussion (Feb 2015) on the tagging list, starting to fill out this table.

What is the purpose of this table? The tags in the list are existing tags. If the intention is to add these tags as sub-tag under camping it will not work (duplicate keys). How does this section relate to Proposed features/Extend camp site? --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 20:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

This was a draft to replace the second table on the main page. Intention just to document "best practice". And perhaps highlight those additional values that are needed. However, I stopped when the tagging list started discussing a (much better) proposal to define values for camp_site=*. Sadely, I think that proposal may be fatally bogged down, as so many good proposals are. Sigh ... --Davo (talk) 21:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Key	Comment
amenity=toilets	Toilets - does not work in this form, as any key can only be used once in a node, so amenity=... will not fly. If you use toilet=yes instead you can use all existing tags related to toilets. See camping for overlanders below for an elaboration. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
amenity=shower	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
amenity=bbq
leisure=firepit	Firepit or Fire Place. Note that in this context, applies to whole camp site, not individual pitch
amenity=bench	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
leisure=picnic_table	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
leisure=swimming_pool	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
shop=laundry	Not sure is this a good match for a camp site laundry, not really a shop IMHO. (If one must pay for using the laundry, it is still a shop, albeit with a limited customer base. AlaskaDave (talk))
power_supply=yes	Power connection to at least some pitches. May be used by the campers. Specify 'no' if there is no power AND that would be unexpected, for example at a commercial camp ground.
man_made=water_tap	could be connected to a caravan
amenity=water_point	for large amounts of water eg to fill water tanks	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
amenity=drinking_water	Drinking water eg to drink or fill a water bottle	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
amenity=watering_place	Watering place for animals	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
amenity=waste_disposal	Waste disposal. Bins and/or sewage, see below	See comment toilets. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 15:21, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
waste=chemical_toilet	For cassette type chemical toilets and holding tanks on RVs. Note restrictions on size may exist}}]]
lit=yes

I do not think we have a clear enough distinction between tags that apply to the overall camp site and ones for the pitch.

Agreed. To me, a camp_site is for one person, one caravan or one tent and a campground contains camp_sites. But, seeing as the former term is already being used for the latter and is well entrenched, how will we differentiate them? Please, let's not resort to relations to solve this. AlaskaDave (talk)

Camping for overlanders

--Jan van Bekkum (talk) 14:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

This proposal has had two substantial updates taking the feedback of the previous proposals into account --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 16:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Introduction

Overlanders are people who travel for a longer period (at least a few months) usually with their own vehicles (mainly 4WD's, trucks and motorcycles) and cover a long distance, often in developing countries. Examples are Amsterdam to Capetown, Alaska to Tierra del Fuego and London to Delhi. Because many of the countries they pass have no or few official campings the requirements for tagging camping opportunities differ from those for "regular" campers. Overlanders today carefully maintain and exchange lists of suitable camping opportunities. It meets a clear overlander need if properly tagged camping opportunities were available in OSM. The overview below lists tags important to overlanders. It is a combination of existing tags, earlier proposed ones and some new proposals.

Tagging Method

The current tag tourism=camp_site does not enable to describe amenities that are present at the camping. In order to make as much use as possible of defined tags a camming needs to be described by multiple nodes or areas like tourism=camp_site, amenity=toilets, amenity=restaurant etc. within a site relation.

Limitations

Desirable information that is not fully provided in the OSM structure includes multiple camping images per camping and a rating system of environment (a bit comparable to the "Route touristique" on Michelin maps) and the camping facilities ("Is it functioning and clean?", comparable to a TripAdvisor rating). This could perhaps be solved by means of a Wikimedia Commons link for multimedia and a Wikidata link for the rating.

Top level tags and attributes for overlander camping

Top level values

• tourism=camp_site
• tourism=caravan_site - redundant together with tents=yes etc. I would prefer to use tourism=camp_site only.

Attributes Most important attributes:

• camp_site=established (default), camp_site=unofficial, camp_site=wild_camp - Camping is done in three types of accommodation: (1) Established campsites - entities that have as main activity providing camping facilities for a fee, (2) informal campsites: - entities whose main activity is not camping, but that provide camping facilities for a fee. Usually these are hotels, hostels or motels. They may have separate facilities for campers (like a separate toilet section), allow campers to use shared facilities (typical in a hostel) or hand a room key out to the camper for use of toilet and shower, (3) wild camping - locations that do not provide facilities for campers and where campers stay for free. Such places are desirable because of nearby presence of public facilities (for example a kite club on the beach with free access to their toilets and beach showers or a guarded park with public toilets in the neighbourhood), their security (a police station or mission station) or their sheer beauty (an isolated palm beach)

   ALERT: Please see camp_site=* page, because it specifies other values.
   --Sim6 (talk) 22:11, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
   Thats because this 'talk' took place before agreement was reached on use of the camp_site=* tag Sim6, could do with an update I guess.
   --Davo (talk) 01:21, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
   I added reference to this conflict in the talk page of that tag. I don't agree with it's current suggested use and started a discussion there.
   --DFyson (talk) 01:28, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
   I added this alert because this section is linked from tourism=caravan_site See also secction
   --Sim6 (talk) 11:36, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

• name=*
• description=*
• opening_hours=*
• payment=*
• fee=*
• tents=yes
• campers=no - to be described in wiki similar to tents. It may be impossible for campers, trucks and busses to use a camping if the access road is not suitable, if it is in a protected environment or if individual places are too small
• maxheight:physical=* and maxwidth=*. To be used to describe if trucks and busses can access and use the camping
• cooking=* - in use for building=apartments; to be described in wiki
• laundry_sink=* - to be defined: is a sink present for hand washing of laundry. Alternatively it could be an extra value for shop=laundry.

Tags to be used in combination

• leisure=firepit
• amenity=toilets
• amenity=shower with optional attribute fee=*
• power_supply=* with new attribute power_supply=intermittent (see new feature proposal [[1]]) and opening_hours=* if electricity is available during a fixed daily period
• internet_access=* with optional attribute fee=*
• dog=* - to be proposed
• amenity=drinking_water
• amenity=parking
• shop=laundry - if a coin operated washing machine and dryer are provided the attribute self_service=* can be used
• amenity=waste_disposal - see separate discussion about this topic
• shop=convenience, shop=gas, etc.
• amenity=restaurant

Relation
The logical grouping is by means of a site relation.

Comments

Below are the comments on the first version of the proposal.

Some comments, suggestions and/or questions are raised at other places. I copy (with link to the source) and comment them here in order to keep the discussion at one place. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

(Martin McGowan)

Is it possible to add information on any height limitations for parking / entry to the proposals as well?

I suppose maxheight=* could be used for this --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 07:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Warin

Some of your suggested tags won't work. Some are manipulations of already existing tags ... just use the existing tags! The people who produce the end maps use the existing tags .. they won't adapt to your suggestions .. particularly when there are already existing ones in use.

What do you recommend? What I want to achieve is that all attributes of a campsite that belong together (the shower belongs to the camping) can be tagged to a single node. Trying to tag amenity=toilet and amenity=shower will not work as one overwrites the other. See my comment Tagging Method. So the options are to create multiple nodes, one for the camping itself, one for toilet, one for shower, etc. , but then you can't see they belong together.

Make the camp_site an area ... that is what it is after all, then a node for each feature? If you don't have the time for that .. well the resolution of OSM is about 50mm .. so a different node for each object 50mm apart would indicate to anyone that they are associated? Or make an artificial campsite area of say 100m square and put the nodes in that .. a representation of what is there.. if someone cares enough they can come along later and make a better representation Warin61 (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Why not a relation? I don't believe an area is the best approach. My main objection is that it still keeps objects unrelated that are related: if I use a search engine that finds a camping I still don't know it has a restaurant until I go to the map and see the symbols. Furthermore I want to create POI's while I am on the road with an app like OsmAnd. However, such apps create nodes only. I will often not be able to map the right area, because I don't know what the real camping area is and on the road because I don't have the tools. I strongly oppose the recommendation to create a 100 m square area that has no relation with reality. It is better to enter unapproved tags that are not rendered than knowingly wrong information that is rendered. Almost everything is an area, but nodes are for showing objects of which you cannot give area information. Creating a relation would be a much cleaner solution to address the issue --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

The (probably best) alternative would be to create a site relation with separate nodes for camping, amenities etc. However, I don't like to create a site relation as long as no separate buildings (polygons at the correct location) have been defined. What I try to achieve in the proposal is to stick to existing tags in a structure that works in the OSM concept. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I would like to get some of the tags (for example dryer=*) that were proposed already as proposed features in 2009, but rejected because of a lack of voters on the agenda again. It is one objective of this discussion document. It may be true that general renderers do not display all tags, but more dedicated ones may. For example the site iOverlander shows the kind of information being discussed, but uses a proprietary database now. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 11:22, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

The existing tag laundry would be good enough for this? OK it does not say dryer specifically .. but a laundry will usually provide for the local conditions - if a dryer is required by the local climate they usually have one. Warin61 (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I am afraid it is not enough, that is why it is a suggested addition. All cases I am referring to are based on real life experience from overland traveling in Europe, Middle East and Africa for about 18 months since 2013. The dryer was really something we have been looking for and that played a role in selecting a camping. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Some of your suggested tags .. well 'hot shower' does not exist .. it is simply shower .. I'm presently trying to add the tag 'temperature' .. for use with showers, baths, water_taps etc. That is presently open for comments .. will move to voting and hopefully be voted 'in'. Then there have to be enough people using it and then enough features with that tag for the renderers (the end map makers) to think it is worth adding. Not easy to add new features .. harder still to change existing tags to some thing else.

Agree, you will have my vote. shower=hot was proposed earlier for campings. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

If you have an interest in adding things or changing things in OSM tags then join the tagging talk group .. I'm active there at the moment .. 'temperature', 'reception_desk' and a 'new' grouping of 'waste_collection' ... once those are finished .. well I might move on 'tents=yes/no/number'? But consider joining ... https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Will do --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

OSM campsite tags - The page https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/...sm%3Dcamp_site shows the documented tags .. in blue! The tags in red are undocumented .. and may change.... I'm for changing 3 of them, removing one .. and adding another.. but it takes time. If you want to add data (tags) to OSM camp sites .. use the blue tags on that page and they may appear on the OSM maps.. use something else and that reduces any chance of the information appearing on an OSM map. The data is there .. but won't appear.

Agree, but there are so many unapproved tags in use (as you know there is serious opposition against the voting process) I try to use a rendered that has the option to show raw tags anyhow. Tags "develop" rather than being formally approved. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Tags in frequent use are usually documented in the wiki... if they lack documentation in the wiki people don't really know what they are for, if they are meant only for nodes or areas or relations. An example is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddog_bin ... a dog bin .. Is this for dead dogs? It is intended for dog excrement... yet there another tag for that .. again undocumented .. and yet another tag .. but that is documented .. which one would you use? The first one you came across or would you keep searching? There needs to be some method to coordinate and come to some consensus on the tags. While there is opposition to the tag talk group .. I don't see a better method.. any ideas.. I have started a thread on it ... time to stir that pot again Warin61 (talk) 22:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree, but it depends on the tag. I would say shower=hot is pretty trivial (although I have seen from the talk temperature in general is not). For other tags like washing_machine and dryer I would be happy to add a wiki page. --Jan van Bekkum (talk) 09:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Some of the resistance to introducing new tags come from rendering issues. But how will you render campsites with 20 possible tags and hundreds of possible combinations? Maybe wild camp and official campsite need a different icon, but it's no use trying to introduce 20 icons for campsites. To make full use of this kind of data, you need an interactive map with pop ups and or a decent search function. So the application built for this data can adapt to the data. --joost schouppe 9;30, 13 February 2015

More Amenities -- Bear Wire?

Sorry, but one more amenity(?) idea, though I'd be happy to hear of an alternative. At least in the US, national parks, forests, etc. where there is an active bear population will sometimes place a "bear cable" or "bear wire" at backpacking camp sites. This steel cable generally spans tree-to-tree for 15 feet or so and is about 15-20 feet off the ground. You use a rope to hang food, etc. from the wire to keep it away from bears. Importantly, it obviates the need to bring your own bear proof canister. Thus, it makes a significant difference to backpackers if there are bear wires at camp sites along their path. Amenity=bear_wire?? --MGH (talk) 03:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Seems to me that that type of thing (along with bear resistant lockers which area often found at car camp areas) are camp ground specific so perhaps should not be a value for the amenity tag. I'd rather see something in a camp_site namespace for things likely to only be found in a camp ground. Maybe camp_site:food_storage=bear_locker/bear_cable? --N76 (talk) 03:55, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It may indeed be appropriate to use something other than "amenity", since you can only have one amenity per node, and many campsites are unlikely to have more than one node. However it appears that the trend (above and in the accepted official page) is to use unique keys (e.g., tents=, backcountry=, power=, awards=, etc.) rather than overloaded keys (e.g.: camp_site:food_storage). I'm not sure about this proliferation of keys, but it appears we're headed in that direction. --MGH (talk) 12:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Capacity definition

Right now the definition for a camp_site's capacity=* is "Maximum number of tents / visitors". This definition seems useful for an individual camp_site_pitch, but less so for a camp_site that is composed of a number of camp_site_pitches. So for example, if a camp_site has 30 pitches, each of which can have up to 2 tents, is capacity supposed to be 30 or 60? Capacity=30 seems 1) more useful to most people (unless you are planning to reserve all pitches in the entire camp_site) and 2) much easier to get (think of an example where some pitches allow more or fewer tents and there is more calculation). So is the capacity definition poorly written, or do we need to think about a different key for the number of pitches? Thanks --Neuhausr (talk) 15:12, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Should "scout camps" be tagged as camp_site?

At least in the US, some large areas are owned by the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts and called "scout camps". Within these camps, there are areas designated for camping, but also areas for other activities (climbing, archery, recreation grounds, hiking trails, etc). Should the whole "scout camp" be tagged with tourism=camp_site, or just the areas used for camping? Here is an example done in the former way: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/440543662. Then, if camp_site should just be used for the camping area, any suggestions on tags for the larger "scout camp"? --Neuhausr (talk) 18:56, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Proposed_features/camp_site_pitch? Jidanni (talk) 01:59, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

There is a newer tag leisure=summer_camp which is sometimes used. --Jeisenbe (talk) 01:06, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

lean-tos?

I would often like a key indicating whether a site has Tag:shelter type=lean tos. Should I just add lean_to=yes/no? --Hjart (talk) 11:41, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Are these Adirondack-style "lean-to" shelters, that is, a shelter with 3 walls and a sloped roof, with one open side? I'm not sure if this meaning of lean-to is used outside of the USA. The UK definition is "a building joined to one of the sides of a larger building with which it shares one wall".

Perhaps you could use "shelters=yes" to match "cabins=yes", "static_caravans=yes" - tags which say whether cabins and mobilehomes are available at the campsite. Or map the shelter as a feature with amenity=shelter + shelter_type=lean_to especially if there is only one. If there's no aerial imagery you can use a node.

shelter=yes also can be added for a single shelter, if this is a campsite with only one pitch --Jeisenbe (talk) 08:01, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

These are shelters in Denmark, so yes most of them are "Adirondack-style". Some are a bit more advanced though. In danish they are simply called "shelters". I mapped quite a few of these over the years: (See i.e. 364133938 364133938, 5492067300 5492067300, 528653026 528653026) and even started using "shelters=yes" 4 years ago, but has been in doubt whether this would be accepted outside Denmark. shelter=yes is also used for other things, so I've been looking for a tag that would not be confused with something else. --Hjart (talk) 12:18, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Campground office

Mention how to tag the campground office.

building=yes
office=camping

? Jidanni (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Usually this is the "reception" where campers can check in or check out. That's commonly mapped as camp_site=reception as mentioned on this page (or sometimes as amenity=reception_desk). --Jeisenbe (talk) 05:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

"No camping" sign?

How to tag a "No camping" sign, which usually disallows overnight stay of caravans etc.? This should be an important information for camping maps (access:camping=no is not yet defined; I will post the same question there). For some 150 places camping=no is used. Should this be included in the Wiki? There are also "No tent" signs. --GerdHH (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

In my personal opinion there are a few ways to look at this. 1. What your really mapping is the sign IMO, because it's either that or an access thing and I don't think you can fairly judge what's on the ground in regards to the ability to camp somewhere or not. I know plenty of people who have camped in now camping areas. So, the best route would be to just tag the sign and whatever the description of it is. Then let people see the sign or not 2. Most "no camping" is pretty vague and worth having as a tag, because almost everywhere could be tagged with it. Where would it end? Sidewalks? Abandoned houses? (more squatting, but whatever), ways that go under bridges? Hotel lobbies? The reading rooms of libraries? I think you get my point. The important thing is to map "things that exist" and we already have a tag for that. People see tourism=camp_site and they think camping. They don't see it, and they don't think camping. That's enough IMO. Otherwise, we are training people to second guess themselves and click on everything to see if what they are seeing is wrong or not (a lot of camping=yes tags will probably used on places where tourism=camp_pitch is more appropriate). --Adamant1 (talk) 09:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I am talking about an explicit sign. I have seen a similar one on ebay. You will see these signs frequently on parking places. Although you usually may place your camper there day and night, as any other car, this sign prohibits overnight stay, and it truly would be helpful to know this in advance. --GerdHH (talk) 13:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I considered those types of places in my message and I think what I said wrote would still apply to them. People are way more likely to see the sign on the map with the words "no camping" below it then anything else. Whereas,they are way less likely to click on every parking lot of an area in whatever app they are using to see if it is tagged with camping=no or not. That's just reality. Otherwise, it would have to be an acesss type tag that would be accounted for on the softwares side when looking for a camp site, but software already assumes parking lots aren't camp sites. Unless they are explicitly tagged as one. So something like camping=no wouldn't work. It would as a label on a sign though. That's whats on the ground, what people on the ground look for, and is viewable on the map. That's how I view it at least. Adamant1 (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

At least in Germany the rule is that you are allowed to stay overnight with your camper if it is not explicitly forbidden. Therefore more and more often you see "no camper" signs. The place I am referring to has been popular for years among campers. No need to convince me of the "tagging what's on the ground" and "not tagging for the renderer" rules. I just wondered if there is a "best practice" to tag a "no camper" sign e.g. on parking places. What's your proposal? --GerdHH (talk) 13:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

tents/caravans/cabins/static_caravans: yes/no/only?

For a lot of 'checkbox' features in OSM valid values include only in addition to yes and no. Judging from some existing use and my own experience I think it makes sense to document tents=*, cabins=*, caravans=*, and static_caravans=* as having only as a recommended value as well; especially when used in the context of tourism=camp_site. tents=only is used all over the globe, and makes sense for small trekking campsites and bivouac areas, but I've also used static_caravans=only today for a recreation site (no permanent residence) that only hosts static caravans. Unless there any strenuous objections I'll go ahead and document this use. --JeroenHoek (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Tagging dish washing by hand

On campsites there are often designated places where the dishes can be washed by hand. In the forum I raised the question of how to tag them.

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/campingplatz-ort-an-dem-geschirr-per-hand-abgewaschen-wird/5868

Without introducing anything new, these places could be tagged according to the following scheme.

Caption text

Tag	key	value	comment
man_made	water_tap		in Combinition with sink=dish_washing - a place to clean dishes by hand
	opening_hours		if not anytime opend
	sink	yes / no / dish_washing / hand_washing	to specify the type of sink; regardless of this specific case
	fee	yes / no
	supervised	yes / no / interval	whether the place are staffed with a cleaner
	wheelchair	yes / no / limited
	hot_water	yes / fee / no
	cold_water	yes / fee / no
	indoor	yes	Example
	outdoor	yes	Example
	capacity	number	capacity in taps (incl. sinks)
	access	yes / permissive / customers / public
	bin	yes / no

--Blütenkirsche (talk) 11:56, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

tent rental / 'glamping'

In the UK we have the term 'glamping' a portmanteau of 'glam(orous)' and 'camping'. Some, or all, of the tents at the site are provided by the site and rented to the occupants. The rental tents are normally (maybe always?) already put up before you arrive, and possibly kitted out with high-spec items such as real beds. Jnicho02 (talk) 16:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

If there are no places where user can put up their tent, then I definitely wouldn't map it as tourism=camp_site, but as a tourism=guest_house ("Accommodation smaller than a hotel and typically owner-operated") + guest_house=rentable_tents (currently not in use, so ATYL) or something similar instead. If you can put your tents there, but there are also some that can be rented, then I'd tag as tourism=camp_site and add description=* explaining the situation, and perhaps micromap those to-be-rented (if at static locations) as separate building=tent nodes (with operator=*, ref=*, fee=yes etc) --mnalis (talk) 18:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

There are a growing number of glamping sites near me and I have tagged them different ways over time. Some have glamping pods and some have glamping teepees. I have tried tourism=chalet sometimes, and tourism=camp_site with tents=no, caravans=no, etc and am torn between using the documented cabins=yes to indicate glamping pods available (as they are small cabins), or cabins=no and the undocumented glamping=pods/teepees/yes. For the one I added this morning I went with cabins=no and glamping=pods, but might yet change my mind. --EdLoach (talk) 08:52, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Using tourism=camp_site + tents=no + caravans=no is a trolltag and should really be avoided. If user cannot drive their caravan in, nor put up their tent, then it is not a tourism=camp_site at all. At least one of those should be "yes". --mnalis (talk) 19:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Then I think tourism=chalet is probably slightly more suitable than tourism=guest_house, at least for those I know. --EdLoach (talk) 10:54, 23 May 2024 (UTC)